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If driving is essential for you, then you shouldn't drive like an asshole, go over the speed limit multiple times or drive recklessly, endangering others.
If you're putting people in danger because you can't understand the implications of driving a multi-ton metal box at insane speeds, you shouldn't be allowed to do it.
Well, they aren’t allowed to do it while they are in prison, right? Are you proposing people should be barred from car ownership forever after, even with a heavily limited provisional license? Are you equally motivated to extend that logic to any other type of crime?
Not to take the side of serial speeders and the like, not at all. But there’s a lot of legal and ethical context to unpack, not to mention the practicality of actually “taking away” driving from someone. We just don’t have a magic wand that solves the problem
I'm not saying you should be taken to prison. All I'm saying is if you don't know how to drive safely, you shouldn't drive. If people are unable to drive at safe speeds, they should not drive at all, and it's up to them to figure out an alternative (public transport, bike) or find a job that they can walk to.
I'm not leaving anyone without the option to go to work or drive anywhere, if they want that they can just drive responsibly.
Just to clarify, people are taken to prison for these infractions. This is not you and I comparing hypotheticals
There are no alternatives. Our communities have been systematically ravaged by car companies. They literally paid to tear trollies out of cities and pave over the rails. Zoning laws have deliberately pushed people away from places they can work. Walking and biking is impossible. There isn’t a bus anywhere near you or your work.
We are once again not comparing hypotheticals. You’re just repeating your opinion (driving is a privilege which should be taken away from those who abuse it) without addressing the reality (driving is a necessity for most people in the US)
The reality is that if you want to have access to that privilege, you should not abuse it. The fact that communities were built in a car centric manner does not imply you can do whatever you want because nobody can take your car away. Either you drive responsibly, or you don't drive.
And yet, despite your repeated proclamations to this effect, they continue to be allowed to drive. You say one thing, yet reality is different. Curious. How would you explain this contradiction?