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Why would China be desperate?
China offers the cheapest high spec manufacturing in the world. If the US doesn’t buy that manufacturing, that leaves the rest of the world. Of course China wants American money, but it’s not going to devastate their economy in the short term. It’s a reasonable cost for providing China with so many opportunities, which they are aggressively pursuing, to cultivate deep seated international power.
The prevalence of Chinese manufacturing actually is a national problem for the US. While China has its pick of buyers, the US is stuck with one seller. The US should have been working for twenty years with India, Pakistan, Brazil, Indonesia, Vietnam, and maybe even some counties in Africa to create access to alternatives. It didn’t.
Weaning the US off Chinese manufacturing would take decades of elegant economic policy and diplomacy featuring several countries. China knows this is where it actually has power over the US.
I have worked professionally with Chinese vendors and suppliers for years, both pre and post COVID. China offers the whole range of manufacturing, not just cheap labor but high tech and precision devices too. You want cheap injection molded toys for Happy Meals? Done. Precision machine tools for CNC? Can do. Medical imaging devices? No problem. Mass assembly of automotive cable looms? Easy. If a business wants quality product from China they can do it.
And much like the classic European model where a textile or steel industry would collect in a valley for logistic/resource reasons and organically form an industrial ‘core’ the same is true in China, but with a centralized planned economy. Vocational schools feed local industry with skilled workers like engineers or tool and die makers, so that region experiences further and further specialization and conglomeration.
There’s no coherent or comparable manufacturing:educational alliance in the US, closest we have is ‘feeder schools’ that partner with individual industrial/scientific giants on an ad-hoc basis.
I hope they don't back down, even if that orange whimp ends up pulling back the tariffs. Don't re-engage with the US until they elect a decent leader. They should really feel the impact of electing such a moron for a internationally significant role.
Yep. If America doesn't have a severe depression &/or civil war, the mental illness of MAGA will continue destroying the country from within, and wreaking havoc with global stability.
Part of my company's plan to weather the trade war was to stock up and wait for our competition to be priced out. We also expect the factories in China that supplied our competitors will shut down too. There is a ton of spare capacity with some of them and they work on slim margins. Even a short term downturn of orders can push many to close.
They don't tend to close, they pivot.
China will definitely suffer, but it also doesn't care. Public opinion supporting its actions are not a priority in China. Trump is starting to feel the bite his stupidity has taken him. Not sure if he understands completely, but he's getting an idea that he'll wear the blame. Not from the Maga, but from everyone else.
China has been working with African countries for decades to build their supply lines. The US has had a blind spot over Africa the whole time
Not true, they've just done a better job and built infrastructure instead of corrupt power networks based on the threat of regime change
What do they got better principals than us? Wait are we the bad guys?
Which makes the debt ceiling fight that's coming up even more interesting. (article from March 24th)
Given how DOGE is inflating it's cost cutting savings by over $140 Billion, the tariff trade war, and congress' habit of pushing things to the brink when their luck is going to run out sooner or later -- this could get ugly quick.
Which is why Trump tried to declare it void, as a very stupid person.
Hey now, if there’s one thing Trump knows it’s declaring bankruptcy
Xi isn't a dictator and can be removed at any time. If you understand how US propaganda is working for trump, you should be able to understand how it works against china.
Xi is a de facto dictator
One whose decisions have to be approved, and can be removed by a simple majority vote at any time... If dictators were actually like that no one would have a problem with them.
It's easy to keep a simple majority from voting you out, when anyone opposing you gets the wall for being "Not doctrinal"...
Its like saying a pastor of a church can be voted out by a simple majority of the deacons... But the pastor can off any deacon at any time, merely for being a heretic.
Except there's no documented instances of that happening. Like yeah if you make up shit anything can or cannot happen at any time.
Lol, k.
Do try to find a source for this weird bit of misinformation, if you're so confident.
And no one will dare go against the party, and he is the head of the party, hence de facto dictator. A dictator in all but name
...except they do. Often. That's how he was elected even, the party going against the president.
I know western propaganda has trillions of USD behind it, but you don't have to pay attention.
They do often? Really? That's why he's been removed? Oh wait no he hasn't. You don't have to pay attention to Chinese propaganda either.
Why would he be removed...?
His ideas don't always become policy, that's a verifiable fact.
Uhuh. Why might that be? If his ideas always become policy, that usually means something. You said they remove "him" all the time. I'm saying they dont
I said they don't agree with him all the time, just like my previous comment states his policies do not always get passed, unlike a dictator.
Troll better next time.
Nah, that's not what you said. It was a typo sure, but you can't shit on me for the typo you made. You mean policies like mass censorship, mass surveillance, things like "Xi has centralized institutional power by taking on multiple positions, including new CCP committees on national security, economic and social reforms, military restructuring and modernization, and the internet."
Very non dictatorial of him
Auto correct is rarely a typo, and anyone slightly intelligent would've been able to follow the thread. As far as the rest of your nonsense... Yes the government has expanded as the digital age happened. The US government has more than 700 federal departments. Most of those were made post 9-11. Are we saying the more a government does the more of a dictatorship it is?
Anarchism doesn't work that way, and likely doesn't work at all.
Says the person defending Winnie the Pooh.
Lol
When it's one person who's doing it, yeah.
... Its not one person. There are hundreds of thousands of members of government in china.
I know you fascists love the idea of an infinitely strong and infinitely weak individual to pin all your worries on, but christ can you please not make it so obvious that's your thought process.
Also good work with the racist meme allusion there little buddy. If you're still stupid enough to believe that myth that Winnie the Pooh was banned, its really no wonder trump was elected.
Uhuh, all following the order of Winnie the Pooh.
What a fucking stretch and a half. When did I say he's weak 🤣. I said he's a dictator. The mental gymnastics you had to go through to imagine that's what I said is fucking S tier. Congrats. I wish I could make up shit like that lol.
Racist meme? Nah, just hating on Xi. It really got your hackles up, seems I struck a nerve. Your ad hominems really prove your point.
Also not an American.
If you're not American, why are you blindly, and stupidly, repeating us propaganda and us racist memes?
Why are you blindly and stupidly repeating Chinese propaganda?
I'm not blindly and stupidly repeating us propaganda and racist memes.
I can't imagine anyone trying to hard to defend an obviously corrupt and authoritarian person like Xi, like for fuck sakes. Hold your politicians accountable. I saw what the Chinese government did to Hong Kong, I've seen what they are trying to do to Taiwan, I've seen the pictures in Tianamen, I've seen pictures of what they are doing to the Uyghurs. China isn't a "good guy" they do so much fucking awful shit, and Xi is at the helm.
Yeah ,someday when the US falls and they stop producing the propaganda you've been consuming thoughtlessly, I hope you can recover and become a real human again.
That's it? The us has nothing to do with this. You bemoan me for blindly consuming propaganda, but friend, you need to look in the mirror. China is a belligerent country, not the fault of its people, but rather the corrupt autocratic rulers.
Except .. that doesn't happen. Do feel free to fact check that bit of propaganda you're repeating.
You're absolutely correct on the US topic, but one comment on the Chinese side: China does suffer from an excess of export focused production. Their excess of production capacity is artificial (created by Goverent investment) and has resulted in the need for continued Government cash injections.
The Chinese government investment injection has resulted in significant leads in at least two international markets (EV, and solar panels perhaps batteries by volume.) The cost has been a parge amount for waste and loss of public money (there were a lot of of losses in their recent tech/chip investment for example.)
These losses came at a hard time when the general popilation was suffering from significant equity loss, mainly real estate. There is an argument to make that trying to spur the domestic market would be better than investing in overcapacity.
...You understand the primary market for Chinese products, especially ev and solar, is Chinese citizens, right?
Its not even close.
Hmm, Chinese are a target for EVs, but the production capacity clearly exceeds Chinese civilian purchasing power.
... Yes that is how production works in a healthy economy. You have multiple companies competing for the same consumers, resulting in over production.
Cars are a luxury object that are entirely unnecessary, so they aren't a centrally planned industry.
The extra then gets sold off. But the fact you simply cannot buy most Chinese ev brands outside of china (and some belt and road countries) kinda proves the point. Besides BYD and Rivian, you're not finding many Chinese evs outside of china, and those are just two of the top twenty manufacturers.
You have a good point.
EVs have no central planning in China?
Nope, they're private sector. Technically the state does produce some busses and of course electric trains; but consumer evs are entirely private sector enterprises.
I am doubting myself on this after your comment. I don't know much about the domestic purchase volume but if EVs in China.
Is this a reference to the 99 year leases people can get instead of full ownership or the citizens investment into big housing projects that some say are scams?
I am refering to the massive drop in real estate value that happen as over the last 2 years. Real estate is a primary wealth vehicle for urban Chinese.