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The Atlantic has published unredacted attack plans (non-paywall link) shared in a Signal group chat of senior Trump officials, including Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, and DNI Tulsi Gabbard.

Editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg released the full texts after officials denied sharing war plans or classified information, arguing transparency was necessary amid accusations of dishonesty.

The leaked messages detailed U.S. military strikes targeting Houthis in Yemen.

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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 198 points 6 days ago (12 children)

So many people talking about the fact that this leaked, and not enough are talking about what leaked.

We have political leaders throwing up fire emoji's over dropping a building on a terrorist, with no regard for the, what, dozens? of innocent lives that were lost in the crossfire.

If you have to kill someone, sure, that's a moral position we can discuss. No one should ever be celebrating it, particularly when others died in the process. But hey, they're not Americans, so they don't count.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 6 days ago (1 children)

idk why anybody is surprised, seeing how the republicans operate this should be obvious as fuck

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No one should be surprised. We've seen who these people are time and time again. But we shouldn't be so desensitized to moral bankruptcy that we completely overlook such a disgusting disregard for human life.

idk what to tell you anymore, i don't care about human life lmao.

You all ruined it for me by being so fucking stupid. Like i'm sorry, but how is a satirist supposed to live in a climate where everybody is just fucking stupid. The answer, inevitably, is benevolent disregard for human life, because clearly nobody cares about it enough to do anything about it.

[–] Bouzou@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It's like the confirmation of Brett Kavenau when he threw a hissy fit about how he "likes beer"...

That in and of itself should have disqualified him. If someone isn't capable of being even-keeled and not throwing a temper tantrum, then they shouldn't hold the highest judicial office in the land...

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

That would have disqualified him from almost any normal job interview.

The dude cried and vowed retribution against one of the two parties in the US...and was still confirmed to the highest court in the country. Fucking wild.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Since when do American leaders care about “collateral damage” ?

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

The largest terrorist organisation in the world.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 5 days ago

Most countries in America do care

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Since when do Americans im general? They sure were all united when they were leveling my country

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Americans do not all support wars.

Zero comfort while I stand in the rubble of my former home

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children)

When you claim to be a democracy, and you have two group, both see killing Palestinian and brown people is okay, and your 2/3 of the population still vote for them, your statement objectively false.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago

Are you suggesting that if a person votes for a given candidate then it means the person agrees with everything the candidate does?

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

Ah yes, blame the victims, that's sure to solve the problem. I suppose I should also blame the people who live in the building that was dropped for boarding with a terrorist? I mean they can just choose to be somewhere else, right?

Fuck off.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

So what should they vote for no one and stay home?

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 days ago

plus they were probably brown, not white, so it double-y doesn't count.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

We have political leaders throwing up fire emoji's over dropping a building on a terrorist, with no regard for the, what, dozens? of innocent lives that were lost in the crossfire.

As someone who was around for “We’ll put a boot in yer ass, it’s the American way” this does not surprise me in the slightest.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

They are so incredibly dishonorable it's appalling.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you have to kill someone, sure, that's a moral position we can discuss. No one should ever be celebrating it, particularly when others died in the process

I can think of a few deaths worth celebrating

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are only a few handful for whom I'd pull the trigger myself, but quite a multitude more that I would celebrate their passing with glee.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

I just think, especially when we're pulling the trigger ourselves, we should be sad, maybe disappointed, that it's come to that. Bad people are still people, and while I believe they throw away their right to life when they start indescriminately revoking it from others, I don't ever want to find myself happy to take life. I'll be happy later, in the better world that's been created.

[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

We're talking about the same guys funded by the guy who says the ideal society is Mordor. This doesn't surprise anyone. Everyone is expendable for the company's machine, they wouldn't mind targeting innocent people, let alone causing civilian casualties when targeting real terrorists.

[–] snf@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

the guy who says the ideal society is Mordor

I'm sorry, who with the what now?

[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We have political leaders throwing up fire emoji's over dropping a building on a terrorist, with no regard for the, what, dozens? of innocent lives that were lost in the crossfire.

Correction: They dropped a building on a "terrorist" (read: brown person the US doesn't like).

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There is a reason to attack him. I don't agree with the whole situation but shooting at cargo ships and American warships is going to get a response. I just expect the world's most technological military to do a better job of not attacking innocent people in getting to him.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't agree with the whole situation but shooting at cargo ships and American warships is going to get a response

It's going to get a response, but that response is as immoral as the status quo it's trying to protect.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's immoral on it's face because of how they're doing it is my point. There's certainly a political philosophy discussion to be had about the underlying international system and American system, but there's none to be had about throwing extra explosions around to "intimidate" a third country.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 5 days ago

but there's none to be had about throwing extra explosions around to "intimidate" a third country.

There is, and not having that discussion does nothing but help the imperial core maintain their facade of moral legitimacy even as they murder innocent people all over the world.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 3 points 5 days ago

"If we discussed dropping a building on a terrorist we should also discuss bombing weddings, so let's stick to using proper communication channels and following proper protocol for records"

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago

One of did a prayer and maybe even a thought

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

These dumbfucks have no empathy. They will tell you empathy is weakness. In reality empathy is a social defense mechanism. If we all have empathy for each other it limits the harm we do. What they're missing is not having it isn't some kind of advantage, historically we are the most savage to those without empathy. It causes the mob to turn their empathy off and give in to their worst impulses. They think they'll be the first ones in history to avoid that fate. They won't.

[–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Look at what JD "couch fucker" Vance wrote. Regarding potentially delaying the strike. He didn't give any shits about the benefits or risks to lives, only the optics (oil prices going up), politics and his hatred for helping Europe.

Sure, clearing the shipping lanes is "good" but it's more helpful to Europe "gross" so that's a tick "con" colum.

Their "worst case scenarios" were all "it could look bad".

 

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

Sic semper tyrannis