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Summary

Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez condemned Donald Trump and Elon Musk at a packed Arizona rally, accusing them of harming working-class Americans and promoting oligarchy.

Sanders denounced corporate CEOs as “major criminals” exploiting workers, while Ocasio-Cortez called for stronger Democratic leadership.

Rallygoers urged Ocasio-Cortez to challenge Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer after he supported a Republican funding bill.

The rally, part of Sanders' “Stop Oligarchy” tour, follows criticism of the Democratic Party’s weak response to Trump’s agenda and features further events in Colorado and Arizona.

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[–] Abstracted@lemm.ee 125 points 2 days ago (12 children)

I wish you Americans would deal with this crap before I end up getting drafted to defend my country from the orange porcine dementia patient.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 59 points 2 days ago (25 children)

Seriously. One of the most conservative old guys at my running club yesterday said, and I quote, “someone needs to kill Donald Trump and Elon Musk.” And I live in Alberta.

We are absolutely done with the US’s bullshit up here guys. Fucking do something. If one more of you cowards tries to tell me you’re going to vote harder in the primaries or some other stupid limp dick excuse, I swear to god man. Our lives and sovereignty are being threatened here. For the love of god do something actually useful for once in your lives.

[–] dilroopgill@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

buddy if its such an issue for you no ones stopping you from driving down and doing whatever it is you expect others to do for you yourself

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am preparing, in my country. Fix your own damn bullshit because it is bleeding into me and my loved ones and countrymen’s lives and livelihoods.

[–] dilroopgill@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] dilroopgill@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

hi im dilroop gill btw crucifix bit less of a coward than you are

[–] dilroopgill@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

making edge art and complaining on lemmy doesnt make you brave, you do that because you're scared

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after every other option has been exhausted first.

[–] fouloleron@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Churchill, wasn't it?

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

canada is working on divesting from buying american made items.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 4 points 1 day ago

Our meat prices locally dropped way down since the tariff bullshit. I’ve been saying we need to get away from tying our food markets to the US for like a decade, nice to see that I was right for once.

[–] cheeseburger@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hear you, brother. I'm in Alberta too, but never been interested in guns; I'm waiting for my PAL to be approved as we speak. My parents and in-laws are terrified and upset about their grandkids potential futures. I'm talking to them daily to try to calm them down. We're angry all the time, and now filling with anxiety about the upcoming election, because we all see the lies and bullshit tied to money, power, and ignorance starting...

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[–] tingly@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (6 children)

What do you suggest Americans do? Say someone is a working class American who didn’t vote for Trump. They can barely make ends meet and have no power or political sway. What does that person do? I’m not trying to be funny, I’m simply interested in your take and perspective as a non-American.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I saw something recently that was talking about how individualism has led us to this situation. Everyone is thinking what they can do. We lost our collectivist spirit. We don't think about what we can do.

An individual has essentially no power. A group does. We need to get better at organizing. This is made hard because we are so separated from each other, driving individually to work, then back home, largely to houses where you don't interact with anyone else. We have basically no third places anymore where you'd typically organize. This situation was designed, and it's going to be hard to get out of, but we need to get better at forming groups and organizing.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This situation was designed, and it’s going to be hard to get out of, but we need to get better at forming groups and organizing.

Nothing can be fixed until it's understood to be a problem, and AOC from her stump speeches and emails seems to at least recognize the problem you're pointing that American systems are essentially "massively scaled up isolation from others".

Rugged individualism has failed us. It's going to take a reclamation of collectivism to fix our problems.

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[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They are powerless if everyone stops giving them power

The country is nothing without its workers

Of 10-20% of the population actively protested and actively tried to halt any functioning of society, you'd be surprised at how much you could get done. A that large mass of people is absolutely hell to control and subdue, and they certainly cannot arrest even a significant fraction of them. If the threat of protests of that scale were real every time they tried some fuckery, they would give in very quickly

The problem is that almost everyone thinks like you say, "what am I to do? I'm powerless", and give up before even trying

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I'd love leaderless movements to have a better track record than they do, but the reality is that I think they fail much more often than they succeed in this country.

People can't just quit their jobs and occupy wall street forever.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And while we’re at it, why don’t people in China have the freedom to speak out against their government and not have censorship? Maybe if they all just got together in a big public square and really protested, I bet that would end really well.

[–] Comtief@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

China never really had functioning democracy to begin with, so this comparison doesn't really apply. The point is to rise up before it gets as bad as in China.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Also thought of mentioning Hong Kong. Might be an even better example actually.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I mean, if they all did it, it absolutely would make shit happen

The whole issue stems from most people wanting to just keep their heads down

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[–] Warehouse@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What do you suggest Americans do?

You'd know more than someone outside of the US.

[–] tingly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I never said I was American. I asked a hypothetical question. I was interested in a non-American’s thoughts.

[–] match@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

we are less free to say it than someone outside of the US

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

People in numbers have ALL the power. I know Americans have been trained for defeatism, but look at what protest, resistance, and strikes can do overseas.

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[–] zane@infosec.pub 10 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Face it. Your blaming dirt farming peasants that John the bastard is going to crusade your lands.

There's literally nothing we can do about it besides die as well in most cases.

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[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If it comes down to that then I’m sure me and some of my fellow Americans will rebel and put the 2nd amendment to the test.

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