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Tim Walz says he may run for president in 2028 despite failure of Harris campaign
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I'm not convinced there will be an election in 2028...
There will, but it won't be a fair one. They have "elections" in Russia, too.
There won't at the current trajectory. There won't even be midterms.
I remember Republicans checking out on elections back in 2018 because they bought hard into the Trump "elections are rigged" propaganda. The GOP lost seven Senate seats that year as conservative turnout plunged.
I wonder if Democrats will make the same mistake in 2026.
That makes no sense at all. 2018 was two years after Trump won in 2016, and he rarely claimed elections were rigged in 2016, because he won.
In 2020, however, he was gloating about how elections were rigged, and republicans did okay in the midterms later in 2022.
He was highly outspoken in 2016 straight up until the elections closed, then did a number of interviews after the fact where he insisted he could have won in states like California and New York if the vote hadn't been rigged against him. There was also a big wave of "RINOs are undermining the party!" discourse, particularly after McCain spiked the Senate vote on repealing Obamacare that lead to a ton of internal GOP drama.
The J6 riot was the product of four years of Republican discourse, insisting elections were rigged. Once Trump was out of office and banned from Twitter, his ability to amplify conspiracy theories was diminished. The Republican media machine was able to pivot back to a "We're the majority! We're going to flood the polls! Red Wave!" exuberance and away from the internalized defeatism post-2016.
No, I don't think Democrats are ready to make new mistakes yet. They still won't abandon their devotion to the old mistakes.
Not sure about rigged, but honestly, depending on how the next few years go, it may be straight up dangerous for non-republican Americans to vote. While that's by no means a certainty, people should keep an eye on any electoral changes made in their state.
If Republicans experience a route like they suffered in 2018, it will likely be due to the mushy indie republican-when-its-convenient voters breaking ranks in droves, just like they did in prior Dem wave years. That's what Harris was banking on in 2024 when she paraded around her pet RINOs Liz Cheney and Jeff Flake. She just failed to understand that these wishy-washy voters are chasing less war and less disruption and more protectionist economics, something Trump was able to dangle over their heads (twice!) to win the GOP primary / national election.
Republicans don't really seem to get it, either. Which is why they think the midterm after a wave year is the perfect time to put Grade A psychos all over the down-ballots and end up losing statewide in Alabama of all places as a result.
The "we won't be having any more elections" crowd is heavily invested in a theory that Republicans can get their own base to sit down, shut up, and follow orders. But the last eight years of Trump should be an indication of the exact opposite. The party is being lead by the base, which means the prior generation's power brokers like the Bushs and Cheneys and Bloombergs no longer have a place in it.
That's completely wishful and fantastical thinking. By midterms the base will be so propagandized again to just forget about the regime robbing them blind left and right. I want to believe it, but recent history has taught me otherwise.
DOGE is currently lining up a big chunk of the Social Security Administration. There's some speculation as to whether they'll even be able to keep delivering checks in another few months. Onboarding new recipients will be functionally impossible.
Then you've got the seemingly routine instance of airplane collisions and accidents. Big historically conservative-friendly districts are losing whole swaths of their workforce. NASA is downsizing in Huntsville, Alabama and Galveston, Texas and Cape Canaveral, Florida. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
All the friendly Republican press didn't save Congress in 2006 or 2018, and for good reason. You have a very different perspective on politics when you land on the unemployment line.
That said, if Dems fumble as hard as they did in 2002, its very possible they could hand the GOP a historic victory by disenchanting the entire liberal electorate with their cowardice and inaction.
Again, I want to believe, but recent history doesn't provide that angle. During COVID there were people saying it was a government hoax as they were dying in the hospital. If they can be brainwashed to not believe their own fucking death, then nothing will change them.
I'm not talking about some of the moderates who don't really mind Trump but don't stay informed, by the way. I think some small percentage of these folks will be able to see the reality, just not in time.
Nutpicking, inflated by a media fixated on conflict over consensus. You also had stories about people dying in the hospital who were begging for the vaccine. And people who bounced through the virus unscathed who were insisting their quack remedy of choice / religious convictions were what saw them through. We got an avalanche of "Look at these stupid people!" headlines from every angle except the tens of millions busting down the door to be the first in line for the jab.
It's not a static position. People drift across the map based on the recency of their inputs. That's why so much of this modern media is so toxic. You'll have people who were Gen X eco-warrior black block protesters in the 90s getting their brains absolutely cooked by DMT and Jordan Peterson. Then you'll have people who were doing bow tie debate bro bullshit and waving Ron Paul rEVOLution plackards in the '00s who have fully embraced Warren/Bernie Social Democracy twenty years later.
But we don't just change on The Facts. We change based on our media diet and our lived experiences. Moving from periods of economic stress to stability (and back again) may cause us to reject our institutionalized understandings of the world. Gaining/Losing friends and family shapes who we interact with and what we consider appropriate ideology/behavior.
Everyone is vulnerable to this shift. And we can all be moved in any direction. This isn't something reserved for a rarified few. You're just observing the people who find themselves at a tipping point.
This line of thinking has preserved whatever is left of my optimism. Let us hope my fellow Americans continue to function predictably.
They made it in 2024. The results of abstaining or protest voting were obvious, and these idiots did it anyway. And here we are.
Absolutely. The current Dem leadership is now wildly unpopular and vulnerable to primary. Just like after 2016, the seeds have been planted for a big anti-incumbent wave.
Shouldn't be hard. All they have to say is "Remember the townhalls, and how they mocked you while you paid for them to make your lives worse? We'll put it back." They don't even need to add anything, just try to rebuild. Anything would be a positive change when you're sliding into the negative side of the scale (and in two years, it'll be far far far to the left)
i really, really fucking hope this doesnt happen, i'm going to fucking lose my shit if it does. Because unless things change, it's not looking great for the trump midterms right now.
The only thing the Democrats failed at was fielding a fat old white male felon narcissist serial rapist with ties to a foreign nation-state. If they can just do that they'll win no matter what.
Sorry if you didn't get a personal hug from America's Mom and Dad but yoire kinda expected to make a value judgement between two options and choose the best. As a group, you did not.
Only blame Dems who voted for a kleptocratic felon. The rest did their best to field the best candidate they could and lost to a traitor -- and those guys need to start with our apology for being stupid, same as all of Ukraine, and next Moldova.
Is that why Obama lost in 2008?
Look, guys. I'm rather concerned that the states that haven't seceded by then won't even have electricity anymore.
There will absolutely be an election.
It will be a farce, a Russian election where there's only one possibility to win.
If we're not pitchforks in the street before then, I don't hold much hope
Or maybe a Hungary-style election where the entire media landscape shills for the ruling class and people on social media are bombarded with misinformation and one-sided reporting.
sounds a lot like the last 12 years TBF
Sounds like you described the US process as well. May not be far from it now.
Certainly could never happen here, twice at least. /s
Even Russia has elections
The one thing we have going for us is that Don's dementia and age are going to increasingly make it difficult for him to hold his party together. And there is the chance one of those things will leave the GOP trying to field a new traitor to try and get the cult to consolidate around.
once he kicks the bucket, assuming they can't find someone the republican base will support as fervently as trump, the entire party is done for, it will collapse into a blackhole of nothingness.
I'd like to believe that, I really would, but let's be honest with ourselves. The current republicans (in leadership) aren't stupid. They've gotten pretty decent at running with donald's bullshit and spinning it. They also know that politics isn't much different than sports teams for the vast majority of the voting public in america. They'll not have trouble finding someone who is charismatic enough to spit verbal acid at opponents in a primary AND can be riled up against the demographic target of choice.
The only real challenge for them will be 1.) finding someone with donald's 'blessing' or a connection to him to set it up as 'taking over' so the republican voters will find it so amazing, AND 2.) ensuring someone like musk doesn't try to torpedo everything by using vast amounts of money to try to buy their way into the ring.
Just like the dems. Who will we vote for then, the greens?
States run the elections, so I'm positive there will be one. But whether or not the results are respected... I'm not so confident in that.
I'm not confident the results in red states will be accurate to begin with.
There will be since elections are held at the state level. Many won't be free or fair in the red states, but they'll be good in the blue states.
If red states don't hold elections, that's fewer electoral college votes we need to win the presidency and we wouldn't win in red states anyway.
Please, Texas and Florida. Oh, please, don't hold elections. 🙏
The way I read it, electoral college votes are the one thing where individual states can somewhat easily cancel elections for President, as long as they do so before the election. States have broad discretion over the appointment of electors. All states currently appoint them based on the results of elections, but the rules around that are all set by State legislation, and can be reset by States as well. The only Federal requirement is that the rules don't change after any election is held.
Prior Supreme Courts have ruled that things like the Equal Protection clause may be used to challenge any act where the legislature restricts voting rights once they have been granted. But who knows what this clown Court would make of that.
Congressional elections, on the other hand, must be held in order for those seats to be filled. So any state that unilaterally cancels elections across the board will be sending nobody to Congress (and likely any expired Senate terms as well). Some states may go the extra mile and cancel the election for President, but not for Congress. We'll see how that turns out.
Nah, there probably will. Whoever is taking control of the US really don't care about MAGA's and 3rd terms. They'll just put another puppet there, the new way of doing things in post-capitalism still maintains and some people will continue to get increasingly very rich doesn't matter who the prez is. We finally reached "the future".
There will definitely be an attempt to eliminate or "postpone" them. I'm certain Trump is looking at Putin in power and other governments in a state of war without elections as inspiration.