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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 76 points 2 days ago (32 children)

all the people who refused to vote for kamala must be so pleased with how little palestinian genocide is about to happen. aren't they? well? aren't they?

no?

gee it sure sounds like their whole little plan backfired in the worst possible way come to think of it, ACTUALLY.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It's almost like it could have been easily predicted

[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 days ago

If only people had been talking about exactly what happened for months leading up to the election, maybe it would have gone differently.......

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yep. As soon as I heard her stance on Israel, I got a sinking feeling. There was such hope and enthusiasm at first, but she just had to pander to AIPAC.

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

She also muzzled Walz and started being super corporatist.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

I think the DNC and their consultants did that. I saw an interview with their consultants after the election, and they were all "We have no idea what went wrong", etc. etc. They all think that Trump is some wild anomaly, not that their strategy sucks. Anybody could've told you that people were tired of the status quo, so a status quo candidate would have trouble winning.

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To be honest, my prediction was "parking lot", so the whole "riviera" concept was a surprising development.

The ethnic cleansing was obvious, tho.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

My prediction was glass but I guess they’re accomplishing their goals just fine without nukes

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Not by explaining it, because that was tried on and againd to no avail.

[–] Femcowboy@lemm.ee 19 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Dawg, the democratic party failed to energize it's base by running a center right campaign with a platform of strong boarders, a strong military, and tax cuts. Them failing to get enough votes is there fault for trying to beat voters with the cudgel of trump while offering nothing to most working families. I voted for Kamala, and even I recognize this. I am really tired of seeing a comment like this every time there's a post about trump. The election is over. Rhetoric like this only divides the left further.

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Imagine thinking democracy is only your duty if you feel energized by the candidate.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Imagine being a Democracy and deliberately running an unpopular campaign so the financiers keep the money spigot on.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

Actually I'm starting to feel convinced the Democrats saw "The Producers" as inspiration.

"You can make more money with a ~~flop~~loss than a ~~hit~~win!"

As long as they keep losing elections, they can keep making money disappear (via laundering it). They sop up all the donations and laugh all the way to the bank, burning LITERAL BILLIONS OF DOLLARS on their cousin-in-law's "strategy consulting firm" and tons of completely ineffectual "vote blue" spam, and pay themselves six-figure "speaking fees".

The solution isn't to just stop voting, though. Voting is merely the least inconvenient, easiest to access tool in the toolbox and the people who left it unused are morons no matter how much ELSE they are doing ABOVE AND BEYOND that. Voting is the bare minimum; you have to do that AND local party organizing, civics, community engagement, nominating candidates for local races.

But if you don't vote TOO, it's like you neglected to wipe your ass. The stink follows you and embarrasses everyone with you.

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Completely irrelevant because

  1. This is what "forcing" the democrats to make a change looks like, all it will ever do is shift the overton window to the right and make things even worse.
  2. What really lost the democrats the election was years of gerrymandering, voter suppression and making it just difficult as fuck to vote in Dem areas.
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[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

They'll take no such responsibility. People are stupid and it's time to stop pretending. It's time to stop coddling stupid people, it only emboldens them.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I see an awful lot of people post-justifying doing nothing as some form of radical resistance.

Well, sure, maybe it is resistance, and maybe they have a clear conscience... But it didn't do a fucking thing, did it?

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I see it this way. They want to stop the atrocities in Gaza by any means possible. I can't blame them for that, but I can blame them for how they went about doing it.

Let's boil it down to playing a simple game. You can play by the rules, and play smart, and win. Or, if you don't like the game, you can play a different game and win that one.

By voting for someone other than Kamala (or not voting) they are inherently playing the game, and playing to lose.

If you want to play a different game, then you need to do some Luigi shit instead of sitting on your thumbs bitching about things.

So in the end, they played the game, and they played to lose, and now we're all fucked because of it, and I don't respect that decision at all.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah, abstaining from voting accomplishes nothing. They should've voted for an anti-genocide candidate like Jill Stein or Cornel West.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (19 children)

their whole little plan backfired

Was there a plan in the first place? It would've looked like this:

  1. Don't vote Kamala
  2. Trump wins election
  3. ???
  4. No profit at all, everything's fucked
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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If I were running for office, it would be easy to say no to genocide. Why wouldn't Harris do that?

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Republicans would just spin the narrative by accusing her of being antisemetic (aka a Nazi).

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