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But you do realize that trump is much much much much worse, right? It’s not just about the genocide, you know.
These people have enough privilege that they know they won't be put in the camps first. And they probably think they never will. So it's no risk to them.
Worse how? In terms of for Palestine. They were always screwed no matter what. It seems to me that Trump is pretty much identical to Biden in terms of supporting Palestine, except he's an idiot and says the quiet part out loud while Biden just recited Zionist talking points.
I literally said “it’s not just about the genocide.” Palestine isn’t the only thing going on in the world, and there are millions of people who are being affected right here in the US because of trump’s fascist behavior.
I’m sorry about Palestine, and if there was a candidate who vowed to stop feeding Israel money & weapons, I’d vote for them. But I’m not a single issue voter, because I’m not a fucking moron. I can’t turn my back on transsexuals in America, or Latin American refugees, or immigrants in the US, or low-income people, the mentally ill, the elderly, non-Christians, gays, the sick, or pregnant women in America. I can’t ignore climate change. I can’t ignore the possibility of another pandemic. The US public education system is in danger. Environmental protections are in danger. Countless other public health & safety programs are in danger. Ukrainians are in danger. All because of trump.
I’m supposed to not vote for a candidate who supports genocide, when both candidates support it, but one of the two also threatens everything else, plus so much more?
The way our political system works is if you don’t vote for one it practically counts as a vote for the other-so refusing to vote is also supporting genocide.
Like other people have said- it’s a real life trolly problem. The people are already tied to the tracks, and all I can do is pull a lever. There is no avoiding it.
I hate the genocide. I support Palestine. I believe that between the two candidates, at least there was a sliver of a chance that they would stop the genocide under a Democratic presidency. Under a Republican presidency, there is less than zero chance. In addition to all I’ve listed above, and more.
In terms of Palestine maybe it’s a wash. But at least the Dems have a handful of party members who want to stop helping Israel. But my child right here in the US is in danger now because of trump. Billions of children’s futures are in danger because of trump.
Yeah it sucks for all of us that have like morals and ethics and crap. Like I said, I ate shit and voted for Democrats like I've done for my entire life. I did not and would never vote for a republican and I'm not encouraging anyone to. What I'm saying is that our politics is like making a choice between cutting your dick off or getting your eye poked out. There is no good option.
I feel deeply for people who have children, you probably shouldn't have done that.
To some people the genocide overshadows anything else because... Y'know, it is/was a genocide. Telling those people that "it's not just about the genocide" is, frankly, barking up the wrong tree.
Personally I’d prefer a single genocide over a genocide, all foreign aid being pulled, dumping vital irrigation reserves, and more.
That "foreign aid" was literally genocide fuel.
This is both disingenuous and extremely reductive.
The majority of foreign aid in the past few years has gone to Ukraine. It also goes into disease prevention, such as the Ebola outbreak, and fighting aids and other diseases.
Are there issues? Absolutely. But those issues are more about the US not caring that it destroys existing infrastructure (for instance Haitis ability to grow food) while replacing it with dependence on the US.
“Yeah we got a genocide but at least we don’t have a genocide!”
How about the start of two genocides?
And yet they did nothing to stop the genocides of brown and queer people in America happening now.
I guess only one genocide matters. But then that's been clear to the Sudanese for years now.
I mean does America have anything to do with that? Your problem is with the Emirates for supporting that genocide.
Yes. Yes it does. The fact that you didn't even bother to find out just reinforces what I said. Only one genocide matters to certain people.
https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/the-us-and-the-sudan-conflict-motives-and-ability-to-influence-events/
Okay this was an interesting and informative read but it does nothing to contradict my point. The article is arguing that America didn't do enough to stop the genocide in Sudan, not that it's in any way directly supporting the RSF.
What are you even talking about now?
This is what I said:
That has nothing to do with supporting anyone. Exactly the opposite. People who need support are getting none. Because their genocide does not matter to the world. Which is the same thing that will happen when the genocide of queer people in the U.S. reaches that level.
Because queer people don't matter and if they die, it doesn't matter. Even if they're Palestinian. Any Palestinian-American who gets put in a camp for being queer? Who cares when Biden supported the only genocide that's apparently worth caring about?
And I'm saying that the reason people are/were making so much noise amount about the Gaza genocide in relation to the election is because it was funded and protected by America. A genocide happening on the other side of the world and the government actively funding a genocide on the other side of the world are completely different things that call for completely different responses.
Yes, I realize you want to continue litigating the election as if it matters and that doing so will somehow help Palestine.
I just don't know how it helps anything.
It sure doesn't help with any other genocide going on in the world. But as I said, those don't matter apparently.
Okay what point are you trying to make here? Yes other genocides exist what about that?
You pretending my points that people only care about one genocide as if it's the only genocide and that people like you are still litigating the election as if it matters were not made despite my literally making both of them is noted.
Let me know when you decide to stop litigating the election and decide to actually do something that will make a change.
You're saying that more than one genocide exists and from there deriving the conclusion that people only care about one genocide, is that correct? Because if so then, well, I think I've explained why people are making more noise about the Gaza genocide than about others. To reiterate, though, it's simply the most preventable of them and also the one most reliant on external aid that can be attacked. It's the difference between a natural disaster and a premeditated murder. So then let me ask: How do you want people to care about the Sudanese? What do you want and who do you want it do it?
Okay I'm not sure what exactly you mean by litigate here. Do you mean just arguing about it? If so I'm just killing time; I'm not expecting any change to come out of this. I'm also very far from anywhere where it's even possible to do that, so... Yeah that's it I guess.
False. What is going on in Sudan could easily be prevented. It's just that no one gives a shit enough to do anything about it except those of us who take part in human rights campaigns.
Where on the planet do you live that you can communicate with people on Lemmy but can't contact a single politician anywhere else? There are literally form emails you could spend if you took seconds of time out of your day.
But I realize that's not fun like arguing about an election that was decided last year.
How so? I'm seriously asking here. The only people with a hand on the steering wheel here are the UAE to my knowledge.
Good thing you asked. I'm an Egyptian studying in Japan. The former is an autocratic police state and the latter both isn't involved in Palestinian affairs beyond occasionally giving aid and doesn't really care what foreigners think. So I guess if there's a politician out there who actually cares about what I have to say I'd love to hear about them.
I didn't realize there were only two countries with politicians you could contract or that there were any you could contact in those countries about using their ability to talk to the media (an ability that you presumably don't have) about the genocide. Or any genocide.
Or even just join a human rights campaign. They have very public websites. I guess those websites are banned in Japan. And that VPNs are also banned if they are.
My mistake. Do go on endlessly talking about an election that happened a month ago and pretending there's absolutely nothing you could do.
i don't think he's much much much much worse, that's too many muchs- maaaybe much much worse- and that's neither here or there.. genocide IS a reasonable red line and you can't gaslight me off my solid footing in that regard.
Ok but you’ve opted for the much much worse ethnic clensing.
Even if it actually happens, much worse than what?
Than what was happening under the dems.
It's already happening. US contractors on the ground, and Trump OKd ramping up in the West Bank which the dems were also blocking
Which the dems were what? Israel ramped up operations in the West Bank during the war if you remember that. Also at least 200 thousand Gazans have died my man at least wait until something (and no, Trump saying horrible things doesn't qualify) happens before you say "worse than what was happening under the dems".
They did, though. What are they doing now rhat they didn't during the war?
Intensified its activities in the West Bank, including accelerating settlement expansion, legalising previously unauthorised outposts, and conducting large-scale military operations. Operation Iron Wall was launched, and now they’re aiming for full legal annexation.
Trump has lifted sanctions, reversed blocks, and given them the green light to ramp it up to 11.
What exactly do you think Adelson paid for?
So business as usual then? Lemme just quote the Wikipedia page on the war:
905 killed[11][33][34] 7,370+ wounded[11][34] 14,300+ detained
See here for more.
Do you have some inherent deficiency that makes it impossible to see nuance? In another world you'd be MAGA.
No, not business as usual, as I explained.
My God... The irony.
How is that ironic? You are failing to grasp the nuance in difference between Kamala and Trump.
In terms of Palestine, the only difference is what they would say out loud.
Then why did Adelson pay trump 150m? Why did the tactics in the west bank ramp up only after the election? You think Kamala was going to carve up and auction off the gaza strip?
Neolibs and Fascists can both be bad but there is a difference. Again, nuance.
If we're asking stupid questions, let me add one: which US politician has taken the most money from Israel?
From Israel. Try again. Which politician has directly taken the most money from Israel? He's on your list.
lmao did it take you a full day to come up with that cope. The list is Iraeli interests, your point is irrelevant.
What point is irrelevant? I asked you which politician took the most money from Israel. And you responded with nonsense and don't want to answer the question because you know it destroys you. Sorry I don't spend enough time online for you.
The adelson family is not part of the israeli government.
And that, is irrelevant. If you have a better point make it im not gonna make your arguments for you.
Already have. You won't answer the question honestly, but anyone remotely informed already knows the answer. You are embarrassing yourself.
You didn't make a point you asked me a question. The list I've given shows who'se recieved the most from Israeli interests. Whether or not they're actually from Israel is irrelevant.
Do you have a source with numbers backing up your claims?
My claims weren't based on numbers but policy changes. The numbers will reflect them with time. Just getting started.