If a person without a nation state's budget behind him can land an object even one the size of a shoe on the moon that would be a major scientific breakthrough and an incredible engineering achievement.

Simply the economics of the feat would basically instantly revolutionise a whole host of industries. Even spaceX who's whole thing is making the economics of space reasonable is nowhere close .

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don't get to dictate what's important and what's not

[–] cloud@lazysoci.al -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't, logic does. If india were to take care of the poverty plaguing the country and shit like the caste system in a bunch of years the space program and all sort of research would benefit for the universal wealth produced by a fair society

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Well you're not being logical, you're being irrational.

Without the space program, there is no motivation to fix the poverty problem. Or the technology, resources or education. Your priorities are just all out of whack.

[–] cloud@lazysoci.al 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Without the space program, there is no motivation to fix the poverty problem.

dafuq?

The fact india has a space program while a good chunk of the population still live in huts sounds like a joke to me

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's because it's only now starting to industrialize, and that's due in no small part to them forming a space program.

Space is so vitally important not just for access to resources and clean energy but for the most important assets we have: our psyches. Space inspires, it bolsters education, it gives people reason to have faith in their country and keep going, it brings peace and love and joy. It's the lifeblood that drives the engines of science and progress in a peaceful way.

It gives people something to strive for, something to actually live for instead of only focusing on survival, like you have. It unifies while your mindset divides. It fosters cooperation while you foster conflict.

It's the most important thing we are doing as a species, and India will benefit far more from having a Moon program than trying to convince people to give up thousands of years' worth of traditional living for no reason.

You're drawing a false dichotomy anyway; without the resources in space, India won't be able to industrialize cleanly nor will any country. We simply don't have enough resources on the Earth to provide an average American lifestyle for everyone on the planet which India especially is going to strive for regardless of the cost, so it's either expand into space or collapse into climate hell.

Grow or die. You can stay down here and die if you want; I choose to grow and so does India apparently

[–] cloud@lazysoci.al 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Space is so vitally important not just for access to resources and clean energy

Nothing cleaner than rocket fuel, you should drink some.

We simply don’t have enough resources on the Earth to provide an average American lifestyle

Such as eating burgers for breakfast and being overweight? I have bad news for you, there's no cheese on the moon

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nothing cleaner than rocket fuel, you should drink some.

Nothing cleaner than 24/7 solar energy beamed down to the Earth and sold so cheaply every coal and nuclear plant is put out of business, ending most of the CO2 burning. And so cheap it's used to power carbon sequestration. And indoor agriculture.

Such as eating burgers for breakfast and being overweight?

The things the global south wants, yes. The things China uses coal to strive for, yes. The things you disparage and take for granted that billions of people only dream of, yes.

there’s no cheese on the moon

There are, however, metals in the regolith and enough O2 to power an inner solar system economy that will allow us to mine for and go wherever the fuck we wanted without having to really launch materials up from the Earth like that. Lunar regolith is 40% oxygen by weight. You know, the rocket fuel you want me to choke on while your brethren condemn me for saying the same things when I oppose rape apologia

So do go and do some research on it. Space didn't just go away because Nixon canned the Moon program back in the 70's.

[–] cloud@lazysoci.al 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You should stop drink coffee

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

Go do the research and expand your mind, you need it

[–] unscholarly_source@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

It's a fucking shame you don't realize how many of the things you use on a daily basis derived from space explorations. https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/27-innovations-we-use-constantly-but-that-you-probably-didnt-know-were-from-nasa-space-program.html

The fact that you are even replying on this platform from your computer or phone makes you hypocritical for criticising the space programs, as well as shows how out of touch you are with how social problems need to be resolved.

Go touch grass.