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Yesterday I was reading the post about the FUTO keyboard where there were a lot of messages deleted by moderators.
I've commented there

What the heck happened with all the messages deleted by moderator?

And it got deleted. Right now you can only see 4, but I've counted 19 messages moderated and the post has been locked. Why?
I've had a look ad the modlog and the messages don't seems to violate any policy (now they've removed them in the modlog too).

I'm pinging here lemmy.ml admin and the mods of the open source community where the post was posted so they can have their say about it and clarify the situation to me.
@kevincox@lemmy.ml @CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml @Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml @Cloak@lemmy.ml @davel@lemmy.ml @dessalines@lemmy.ml @nutomic@lemmy.ml @JoeBidet@lemmy.ml @cypherpunks@lemmy.ml

If I'm getting something wrong, please let me know, I'm here to discus and understand if I'm getting something wrong or if something went wrong in the moderation. Thanks!

Down here you can see the deleted comments.

P.s. I'm writing here because I think that this post on lemmy.ml wouldn't last long.

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[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 87 points 6 months ago (34 children)

That was me. I'm tired of FUTO fans derailing discussions about FLOSS with advocacy for their obviously-not-open-source software and insisting that it is open source.

Every time Futo comes up, someone will insist it is open source, others will correct them, and soon more than 50% of a thread that is supposed to be about open source is people arguing about them.

I'm pretty sure that Futo's (now recanted) position that they were open source (despite the term having a clear definition which is very internationally recognized and which Futo's license obviously does not meet) was an intentional marketing gimmick - "there is no such thing as bad publicity" and every time a bunch of people are arguing about them there is a chance they'll get more customers (some of whom might even believe it is open source).

I’ve counted 19 messages moderated

Probably more than that even; more than I want to count. The modlog is public.

and the post has been locked.

The What's the best open source keyboard for android? post where you commented has not been locked, but most of the futo-related comments in it are deleted. Note that while your comment was not advocating for futo per se, it was (successfully) encouraging others to continue the offtopic discussion. You could have answered your question by reading the modlog.

I did lock another post in the same community (the topic of which is, again, Open Source), which was What are your thoughts on FUTO? (and I left a comment there explaining why).

I generally try to assume good faith but I'm pretty sure some Futo proponents are actually just trolling at this point.

I hope this answers your questions.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 36 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Yeah, Rossman getting in bed with people that are deliberately trying to dilute the meaning of open source really killed my opinion of him.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 10 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Who are some of those people? I'm still trying to get my bearings about this entire thing, I never heard of it before yesterday.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Louis Rossmann is a prominent right to repair advocate on youtube, I don't like his videos personally, but he's usually on the right side of things.

FUTO is a company owned by Billionaire Eron Wolf, they release several pieces of software under their own proprietary licence, that they originally tried to claim was "open source". When they got called out on it not being open source they literally tried to redefine open source. Although they've since backtracked, and decided to use the term "source first" instead, it makes the whole organisation seem incredibly sketchy to me.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Rossman explained the dealio... daddy owner wanted this, it is his money.

Not ideal and there was some shoddy marketing. We still got a free app out of it.

But yes, this app is not OS and people should stop fucking arguing that it is.

If you don't like it, don't use it.

With that being said, i don't see an issue with mentioning it as a viable alternative to OS but saying it is OS is bad faith behavior.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

saying it is OS is bad faith behavior.

As far as I can tell, no one in the second comments thread who was deleted was doing this. They were talking positively about FUTO in ways that still acknowledged that it wasn't open source.

I've reached the limit of my caring about this issue, but you can search the modlog for particular users whose comments in the second thread were deleted, if you want to check what they were saying about it.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 6 months ago

my comment was removed just for saying FUTO has strong voice to text and that's why people like it.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 0 points 6 months ago

Louis is such a nothing creator.

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