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Help needed to pick an anarchist matrix server (mander.xyz)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz to c/anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Hello, I'm thinking of creating a matrix account after a long time and I thought about creating one on an anarchist server (like something with similar ideas in this lemmy server). Do you have any suggestions? I was looking at this database, but it says it has gone down and they provide a json list.

I found https://4d2.org/ , but I saw that they removed the mention of anarchy from their description. (Compare this snapsot from 2025/01/05 with today's snapsot.)

Hopefully this is the correct place to ask, if not, pls direct me to a more appropriate community:)

Edit: The admin of the server told me that 4d2 became a non-profit company (https://www.acabinc.org/) and they don't want to look that political to avoid any legal issues (I think they have to be non-politicaland such, so they removed the mention of anarchy from their website description.😄 (I eventually made an account there.)

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Matrix isn't very popular amongst Anarchists in my experience (for various reasons, amongst which is the capitalist nature of it).

They usually fall in to camps: the non-techy or overly pragmatic ones that just use what is popular, usually meaning Signal and Discord and the techy and privacy concious ones that use XMPP (over Tor).

[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

capitalist nature of it

About an hour ago, I found out that element is maintained by a for-profit company, is that what you mean?

Also, hm, I see, kinda sad. I get that matrix isn't the best, there are probably better alternatives (possibly Jami, briar etc. (and even signal now that you can hide your phone number?)), but I see that many people and communities use it, so I thought about making one account.

Thanks for the heads-up:)

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not only Element (the client) but most of the popular servers as well and they are selling their services to law-enforcement and the military.

But if you just want to access some Matrix communities no need have a specifically Anarchist run server though, right? Just try to not get too dependant on it as Matrix is being enshittified as we speak.

[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ughh, ok, I wasnt aware, thank you!

And yeah, probably not gonna use it for more than a few chatrooms for people or communities I can't contact in any better way

Thanks again

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you find any good anarchist chats on matrix send me a link. Cheers.

[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Well, I ended up with 4d2 (the one in the post), which seems ok (they also have a lemmy instance, though only one seems active on lemmy). Their ToS don't support piracy though, dunno if that's a deal breaker for you. I also noticed that their anarchism room isn't e2e encrypted. Btw I'm barely using matrix so I don't think I've formed a proper opinion.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Kay I’ll check it out.

Hopefully piracy thing is so they don’t get banned, not because of moral standing or smth.

[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 1 points 10 months ago

(I did an edit in the comment above btw)

[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm back with another instance I found: https://anarchy.chat/

Which is mentioned here: https://anarchyplanet.org/projects.html

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you have a link to a room?

[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 1 points 10 months ago

I'm not very versed into matrix, I suppose you can register on their server with that link above (https://anarchy.chat/) and then browse their rooms(?)

I'm still on 4d2, not on anarchy.chat, btw. 4d2's anarchism room link is this: https://matrix.to/#/#anarchism:4d2.org

[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How is Matrix enshittifying? I'm not paying attention to it because I can't selfhost it so I wouldn't know.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

They recently moved large parts of the code-base away from the (faux) foundation back into ownership of Element (the for profit company), slapped a CLA onto it and soon after made the main server software open-core and are trying to get people to switch to their vastly more efficient but proprietary "Pro" version of it.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago

Oh that is very disappointing

[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 10 months ago

Glad I didn't switch, I guess

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

you forgot those who use… HOTMAIL! 😬