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[–] 4am@lemm.ee 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

My man, have you heard of Bazzite?

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (7 children)

I hate to go against the flow here, but I absolutely do not recommend Bazzite as a desktop OS. Surely as a living room or handheld PC thing, but not your main OS.

Immutable distros create a lot of pain when you need a package outside of the also problematic Flatpak world, and whilst there are ways to install them on Bazzite, regular users with no Linux knowledge would scream.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes but people seem to really want a SteamOS like experience on their desktop. Thats what Bazzite provides.

I dont think steamOS is a good desktop experience but if that makes people feel safe enough to try linux then I think Bazzite does a 100x better job than SteamOS.

If they want an actual desktop that can game and do everyything then they should try Fedora with KDE.

[–] mudmaniac@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

For a desktop PC I'm trying Endeavour OS. Feels quite good.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Endeavour is great as well. I've heard nothing but good things about it.

[–] mudmaniac@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Linux Mint hides and automates a little too much for my liking. Arch should be within my skill lvl but most days I don't want to be tuning the suspension while the vehicle is moving. Endeavour seem the right cup of tea for someone who has grown up using DOS and terminals and still retains the ability to touch type at 50wpm.

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 8 points 7 months ago

But SteamOS is also immutable 🤔

[–] hobbsc@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm a daily driver of Bazzite and Bluefin. I felt this way initially but it's been generally painless. I typically check flatpak -> app image -> homebrew -> distrobox when I need something. If that fails, I use rpm-ostree and reboot.

I work in development/devops/infosec by trade and to date there hasn't been a single package or program that I needed that I couldn't get running with minimal fuss. I've even run a couple of MDM packages that my work requires.

[–] tehmics@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I'm not shy about Linux but my eyes glazed over reading that flow chart. Don't pretend this is okay for typical users switching from Windows

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If they went through this, they wouldn't.

I've also been able to find 99% of what I need through discover.

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-from-source/

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I’ve also been able to find 99% of what I need through discover.

If what you need is Discord and Chrome, sure.

When you need specific drivers things change dramatically. And some packages technically exist as Flatpaks, but with permission issues that no regular user is ever fixing

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

if you need specific drivers that arent in a generic kernel you're already out of everyday user territory even on a normal distro.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world -3 points 7 months ago

if you need specific drivers that arent in a generic kernel you’re already out of everyday user territory even on a normal distro.

People will say some absurd statement like this one and then pretend to be confused when Linux adoption fails to grow faster.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's why we got dem tar and dnf

And also that's just not true. There's also Space Cadet Pinball

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I can attest to this. I daily drive bazzite exclusively now.

Rocket league specifically only uses 40% of the GPU and 25% CPU and refuses to use any more at all. It is only a bazzite problem. Other distros are completely fine and other bazzite users have reported the same thing, regardless of settings, launch options, etc...

It is hell when trying to do embedded firmware development. Pretty much everything has to be done through distrobox related to it because JLink needs to be accessible by NRF connect which has to be accessible by VSCode, etc... vscode and oss versions simply don't work if you have to install more than the very basic UI extensions.

Plus then you have udev rules that you have to manually place in the read only file system (recommended by a Bazzite maintainer on their discord) which they explicitly tell you never to do in the docs. There is absolutely nothing regarding JLink (the most widely used industry flashing tool for ARM) in any universalblue docs, even the bluefin and aurora versions "for developers".

Also, there is absolutely no known way to handle eID credentials, crypto keys, etc in order to digitally sign documents. Also key management and access simply does not work at all in flatpak.

Network scanning simply doesn't work at all (yes, saned is set up). It is completely nonfunctional, it can't discover anything.

Outside of those cases though, it works fine. Themes work, font installation works as expected: the firewall, KiCAD, freeCAD work, browsers, media players, etc... All work fine. Distrobox, while start menu applications via distrobox sometimes simply don't start, they often work fine. However, I haven't had to worry about updating my system in 4 months because updates are in the background and completely seamless and not a single thing breaks during updates which by itself is the reason I switched from arch.

(Arch never became unbootable or seriously broken in 8 years, but I would have update problems and have to search for forum solutions to make a full update work every month or two)

[–] Wildly_Utilize@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago

I don't really like immutable but isn't that what rpm-ostree is for?

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm with you. Love Bazzite in the living room, but no way would it be my daily driver.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 7 months ago

Or literally any other distro.

Pop is probably much easier to be up and running vs. Bazzite.