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If you had asked me 10 years ago, it'd be a firm "atheist". A year ago, "agnostic". Today, I don't identify with a religion, but I think there's a lot of interesting things within them. Given a charitable interpretation of any of them's texts, as well as looking at the parts where a large number of religious systems agree you can arrive at some pretty profound pieces of wisdom.
I don't necessarily think these things tell us much about our origin, or what happens after death, or speak to any kind of deity. What they do speak a lot on is the human condition. What we value, what themes and motifs speak to us.
I don't really like the terms "religion" and "religious". To me, those are the organized, preachy kinds of almost-cults most of us here have problems with. I prefer referring to my own personal beliefs as spirituality. Where the two differ, in my mind, is that religion is found externally. Someone converts you, or you're born into it. Spirituality is found through self-reflection. Some of the self reflection processes involves talking to and learning from others, but it ultimately comes back to a deeply individual assimilation of this new knowledge with the unique lived experiences you've had.
Yeah, I personally think "Atheist" and "Agnostic" to be a loaded term with the general public, more so in mine where the majority is religious.
Many of my friends think I abandoned all my moral code the moment they found out, like "No, I'm still the same person just not doing the ritual like I used to" and they won't even notice if I didn't tell.
Many did not believe me when I said I never drink even once (alcohol is forbidden in Islam). It's so hard to explain that the general messages to aspire to be a decent human being are good guidelines I don't have any problem with that, it's the finer details that made me decide to leave.
Morality and religion are the same in society, broadly speaking. Any of the myriad interviews with a non-religious person being asked how they derive morality without religion is telling enough for that.
I don't agree with organized religion. However the more I see the current nihilistic world leader situation and general care for others situation devolve, the more I see the appeal of a counterweight that at least appeals to a sense of morality.
Not that any church actually lives up to that. But it's a nice thought that works leaders somehow would have to defer to some kind of moral administrator and people in general learning about compassion, unselfishness and forgiveness.