this post was submitted on 05 Nov 2024
225 points (91.8% liked)
Europe
1471 readers
454 users here now
News and information from Europe ๐ช๐บ
(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)
Rules (2024-08-30)
- This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
- No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
- Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
- No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism.
- Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
- If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
- Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in !yurop@lemm.ee. (They're cool, you should subscribe there too!)
- Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
- No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)
(This list may get expanded when necessary.)
We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.
If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.
If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the mods: @federalreverse@feddit.org, @poVoq@slrpnk.net, or @anzo@programming.dev.
founded 4 months ago
MODERATORS
True. I suspect there are a bunch of effects that come into play because the question is basically, "What would go do if you could vote for another country?"
E.g., I am not sure whether respondents voted for the candidate they would want to live under (which I think would be the more straightforward option) vs. which candidate they would want to see in another country (for the benefit of their home country).
There's also a strong element of how deep people are in the national/US propaganda cycle vs. hearing a few news items from a distance.
Also ... The image above is of course presupposing a per-country first-past-the-post voting system. Denmark only has 4% Trump voters (which I don't think matches with their national voting behavior). However, e.g. Germany polled at 21% Trump voters which happens to line up almost perfectly with the percentage of far-right Afd voters.
I am quite sure that a lot of German CDU/CSU and FDP voters would also vote Trump over Harris, if these were the two only choices for the next federal election in Germany.
What we mostly hear about them is Trump being the crazy criminal and Harris being the rational decent person. It is very detached from the policies and also we saw how the right and far right media in Germany wrecked havoc on the Green party in the 2021 pre-election time. So the way the media and people talk about them would be very different. Also we have Merz having a stable high polling at 30-35% with going the Trump route. Just that instead of eating peoples pets, immigrants are stealing dentist appointments. The CSU also copied a lot of the anti LGBT propaganda from the US Republicans, the Greens are the source of all economic problems...
We are a lot closer to electing Trump-like people than this study suggests.
The problem with Trump is that he is loud and slightly crazy. That just does not work well with German post WW2 culture. If somebody calmer would run, that would be a different story though.
lol
I mean, yeah โ obviously the same people that get their news almost exclusively from "alternative" media.