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What has she done to stop the genocide on Alderaan?
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That sums it up well. Leia wasn't unclear about her morals and goals. She was working in government with the intention of making things better, instead of sitting outside of government and bitching while doing nothing to help.
The baddies were sick of her constant efforts to derail their plans, so once they had enough fascist power to start going after their political rivals, they went after her.
Being in government does not make everyone automatically a willing participant of all of that government's policies. You wouldn't accuse Bernie or AOC of being cozy with GOP bullshit. But people around here are very happy to blame Harris for everything they perceive to be going wrong in the gov, while casually dismissing that Trump is 10X worse at the same topics.
Michelle Obama made a speech on this. Trump is not getting demands. She is.
Mr Concept of a Plan after 8 years isn’t pushed at all. Meanwhile, we need more details on the articulated plans of Harris. It’s quite the mismatched standard.
Also, Biden is her boss. She’s not the boss yet. New bosses do different things with the company when they take over.
And they don’t publicly undercut the old bosses while being second in charge especially in sensitive diplomatic situations.
Exactly. Maybe Harris is in lockstep with Biden on Israel or maybe it would just be a really bad idea to undercut him while she needs his support.
Who knows? We won't know until she's actually in charge.
I'm old enough to remember that Al Gore didn't rock the Clinton boat either. I doubt he would have been another Bill Clinton.
If only we got to see what Gore would have done differently... Sigh.
~~Trump~~ Harris is just saying that to appease ~~the Deep State~~ Zionist voters, but once they're in office, they'll reveal that it was all an act and they're actually going to do all the stuff we want. Trust the plan.
Believe it or not, we might have an idea about the sort of things Trump might do if he's president.
I'm sure you'll figure out how that's different from Harris if you think hard enough about it.
Believe it or not, we might have an idea abut the sort of things Harris might do if she's president.
Hint: it starts with G
Amazing how many people here are convinced that the vice president sets and controls policy.
Harris is part of the current administration and has been fully consistent on their line. So, no, it's not different, and we do have a clear idea what she'll do as president. She will say that what's happening there makes her feel sad, then send a bunch more weapons unconditionally, and you'll be proven completely wrong but it won't give you a moment's pause because Trump would've been worse, so what did it matter if what you were saying was true, as long as it helped her get elected and helped you push aside some cognitive dissonance?
Also, are you suggesting that the QAnon "trust the plan" line was/would've been valid before Trump was in office? Because it wasn't.
You clearly didn't read this part of my post, so I will repeat it:
It's always counterfactuals, isn't it? You think Gore would've been different on points that he never distanced himself from and that you can't point to anything concrete to show he would've been different, in the exact same way that you think Kamala might be different. So what? That's not evidence. That means nothing, it's purely in your head, based off vibes.
I picked my username and pic because I believe in basing my beliefs on evidence.
And another thing, when politicians do lie about their positions, more often than not, it's almost always for the worse. Or maybe they're sincere on the trail but respond to established pressured once in office. I remember when Obama said he was going to end mass surveillance and protect whistleblowers, how'd that play out? Nowadays, they even skip the part where they promise good things entirely, and it doesn't matter because no matter what they do or don't do, you'll find a way to explain how they're secretly gonna do what you want.
Unlike the hard evidence you're going with about a future Harris presidency? Do you have a time machine? A crystal ball?
Also, I never claimed to have any facts. I leave that up to the people who claim that Kamala Harris is a genocidal maniac so don't vote for her. (Oops, too late.)
I have her statements and the actions of the administration she's been a part of for the past four years. That's evidence.
If I see that a person has murdered three people, I don't have "proof" that they're going to keep murdering people in the future, but I have strong enough evidence to say that they present a danger to society. Don't play dumb and pretend that you don't understand that actions and statements provide evidence for future behavior.
I see. You don't know what the vice president's job is or what her powers are. This all makes sense now. I suggest you look up the job. It doesn't involve either setting or implementing policy.
Either you skipped basic high school civics or you are not American. Either way, I would recommend knowing what the vice president is and is not able to do.
I will give you a hint though: the vice president has exactly two jobs, neither of which involve setting policy on Israel in any way. I'll leave it up to you to learn more, but something tells me you won't.
Goebbles wasn't the one who decided to invade France so his hands are clean, huh?
Despite your condescention, I do fully understand that the VP's formal powers don't involve setting foreign policy. I have never claimed this so it's purely a strawman. What I have said is that it's possible to predict, with reasonable confidence, what Harris is going to do, based on the actions of the administration she's a part of and based on her public statements. You think that all of her statements on the issue are lies, and that she's in stark disagreement with Biden on the issue but can't do anything about it because her role is extremely limited, which you're saying she also lies about, and all of it's based on nothing. Well, actually, it's quite clear what it's based on, it's based on what you want to be true, regardless of evidence or reason.
If you're desperate enough to play that card, to disavow Biden and claim that Kamala's role is extremely limited to only her formal duties, then I have to assume you're running out of room to retreat to. You're already playing the "not an American" card as well, which is always a sign that you can't respond to what I'm saying so you have nothing left but to undermine my credibility.
The "hands are tied" excuse is so thin at this point that I don't know how anyone can take is seriously, other than pure cope.
The only "card" I have played is that we can't know whether or not her Israel policy will differ from Biden's just because she isn't going against him right now.
You're the one here who seems to have some sort of crystal ball so you can know what is going to happen with certainty, not me.
Why are you under the bizarre impression that anyone here, myself included, thinks Kamala Harris is perfect?
Believe it or not, we aren't voting so we'll get a pony.
Because you will go to any lengths and adopt any position to defend her, no matter how absurd.
Oh, is that what FlyingSquid does? I had no idea. In fact, I thought that wasn't true about them at all.
Please tell me more about FlyingSquid.
I don't know anything about you aside from what you posted, which clearly demonstrates that you'll adopt completely absurd positions to defend Harris.
But why don't you tell me more about myself, since you said I either wasn't an American or skipped high school civics? You seem to have knowledge about me that's unrelated to anything I posted, while the reverse isn't true.
You know how to use the search function in Lemmy, I assume. Please find me defending Harris' position on fracking and immigration.
It should take you a few minutes, but I'll give you an hour.
Unless you want to admit right now that you're lying about me.
Especially when I didn't even defend her position on Israel.
Fine, "perfect" is an exaggeration. You'll acknowledge minor flaws, but will still go to any lengths, adopt the most unreasonable positions, and bury your head in the sand to deny anything that's actually disqualifing.
Saying that "you didn't even defend her position on Israel" is completely ridiculous. This whole conversation is only happening because of your conspiracy theory about Kamala being secretly pro-Palestine. Look at this fucking post, you compared her to Princess Leia and compared the idea that she supports the Palestinian genocide, which she does, to the idea that Leia was responsible for not doing enough to "stop" the destruction of Alderaan. It's an insane degree of whitewashing, Kamala isn't just "failing to stop" a genocide, she is actively supporting and enabling it. And you claim you, "Didn't even defend her stance on Israel." Get outta here with that bullshit, who do you even think you're fooling?
Immigration and environmental policy are minor flaws to you? Really? Climate change is a minor issue to you?
And now you're lying again. I said no such thing. I said we don't know.
I see no reason to continue a conversation with someone who repeatedly lies about what I said and what I think to my face.
But before I go, you and people like you never get it. I don't love Kamala Harris. I hate Donald Trump. It's really that simple.
That's like saying "We just don't know whether evolution is real" and then hiding behind the "don't know" when called on it. It's still a conspiracy theory even if you only partially believe in it.
I haven't lied once, except for a minor exaggeration that I acknowledged. Tell yourself whatever you have to.
Lmao "misinformation" .world is such a joke.
She was literally working for an armed rebellion actively fighting a war with the aim of overthrowing the government.