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“Extreme Danger”: Harris Earns a Stunning Endorsement Over Trump
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I agree with you that we are being forced to choose between 2 genocides. Knowledge of that situation doesn't change that fact. Awareness of being between a rock and a hard place doesn't get you out of the trap. But you've heard this again and again, and I've heard THIS again and again. Correctly identifying a problem is not the same thing as having a solution. I applaud your dedication to the ideal of seeking a third path. You are trying to show me the problem, but I'm well aware of it. I don't even disagree with you that it IS a problem. I, in fact, agree with every single reason you've given for the decision you've made. I simply believe that the action you're taking is totally futile and counterproductive, and won't achieve any of your stated goals. You don't agree - that's fine. Do what you like. I'm waiting for a proposal with even a passing chance of success. I'm not even waiting, as Dr. King says, for a more convenient season. I'm waiting for a plan that will WORK. Dr. King was advocating for direct action which would have the possibility of success. Dr. King said that after he'd built a movement of millions of followers. After he'd organized massive marches. After he'd won the hearts and spirits of so many. He was talking about real action he could take. He wasn't advocating martyring oneself in a completely futile gesture with a small number of his friends.
knowing that you're in a trap is only a start and understanding the problem is a necessary step before you create a solution.
i haven't shared any of my decisions or goals with you besides trying engage with someone with different views and sharing how i think we can best benefit from that engagement, so saying it's "totally futile," "counterproductive" or that "it won't achieve anything" can only be presumptive at best.
if you can share those goals or decisions i can try to set the record straight in the hopes of learning what it was i shared that gave you the impression that they were goals and decisions.
and yes, we disagree that's why i engaged you and we're not trying to convince each so the discourse hasn't devolved into gotchas, snark, or insults that defines contemporary american political discourse. i'm getting something out of it and i hope you are too.
You did not explicitly declare your goals, but we wouldn't be having this discussion if one of them wasn't ending the genocide in Gaza.
I'd further speculate you want to put an end to the 2 party oligarchy and allow people to have choices that more closely align with their values without forced compromise on important issues.
You may have more, but I'd venture these are two primary ones. And I don't think either of these are achievable through not voting for Harris this election. Because nearly every option for political activity is going to evaporate in an administration that has absolutely NO respect whatsoever for the rule of law or political activity - doesn't even see the need to pretend. Look no further than what happened to Hong Kong to see what happens when the imperfect democracy is replaced with autocratic control.
Those aren't my goals but I would very much like to see them.
That vast majority of information skimmers have guaranteed that the genocide is going to happen no matter what you, I, or the people who put in the time & effort do.
Likewise our political duopoly in this country is too well financed and experienced to expect it change anytime soon.
My goal is to learn how to not perpetuate & participate in the same generational violence & genocide that my ancestors in this country experienced and is now being visited upon by the gazans and at the hands of the same system and people.
One of the things I have learned so far is that no real leftist believes that voting third party is going to prevent the genocide; like me they're doing it for their own reasons so it's clear that the information skimmers are pushing a straw man that says otherwise.
The manner in which the genocide takes place is the only thing we can influence; but not in the way it's understood by the information skimmers. The actions of the Biden & Harris make it clear that they're willing to risk it all to support Israel in its goals for the genocide; despite whatever their words suggest; and Trump's ineptitude along with this demonstrated disinterest & ignorance in foreign affairs also guarantees that Israel will achieve their goals for the genocide.
The question then becomes: will the democrats be allowed to sugar coat it and give token gestures to give Israel the political room it needs to achieve their goals for the genocide past January or will the Republicans be allowed to create policies to simply ignore it; either action is still reaching the same end.
Given that this is the same system and people that my ancestors knew: I foresee a future where gazans continue to exist in native american like reservations in Israel whose populations have been genocided into numbers small enough to guarantee that they will never be able resist the boot on their collective necks ever again in the future.
I also believe that the idf's wanton destruction over generational wealth building capital like real estate; a workforce; and an economy imposes a new generational poverty that guarantees that the future surviving gazans will be controlled by Israeli government purse strings; like the native americans experience with the American government's purse strings.