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[–] cabbage@piefed.social 171 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I feel like part of the problem is that people don't expect fascism to be so goddamn pathetic. They see obvious morons like this or Trump, and they struggle to imagine how they could possibly be dangerous.

I guess the lesson from history here is that just because they're ridiculous it doesn't make them any less dangerous.

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 68 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

You weren't kidding! Here's an excerpt..

Its chief officer was the Grand Cyclops, who appointed two Nighthawks, a Grand Turk, a Grand Sentinel, Grand Magi and a Grand Ensign in addition to his Grand Scribe. The Grand Cyclops, Grand Exchequer, Grand Magi (second officer) and Grand Monk (third officer) were elected by the body politic of the dens, identified as Ghouls.

What the actual fuck?

[–] beansbeansbeans@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds like a game of Dungeons and White Dudes.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

They sound like the titles a group of fifth graders would come up with for their secret treehouse club.

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah this makes me afraid that I'm going to homebrew some NPCs that accidentally follow this naming scheme too closely

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 points 3 weeks ago

They got perilously close to the Grand Nagus in Star Trek.

[–] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Check out the Behind the Bastards podcast. Robert did a couple on the origins of the KKK and, yeah, they started out basically as a "retvrn to tradition" D&D group who got rebooted into racist terrorists. Bunch of pathetic nerds seeking power and finding it in violent terror.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Fascism isn’t about how convincing the leader is, it’s about how discontent the followers are.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There are plenty of discontent Americans who didn't fall into Trump's cult.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And also sit idly by while his cult tries to seize power, knowing they won't be the first against the wall.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So, everyone who has a problem with how the Democrats run things is an enemy? Gosh, why does that sound familiar?

This is the attitude you take, then you wonder why there isn't more unity against the Republicans. If you want to know how fascism wins, this is it.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So, everyone who has a problem with how the Democrats run things is an enemy? Gosh, why does that sound familiar?

Cool strawman.

This is the attitude you take, then you wonder why there isn’t more unity against the Republicans. If you want to know how fascism wins, this is it.

Fascism wins by people voting for fascists and by milquetoast moderates going along with it because they won't be first against the wall. If that seems so offensive to you then you deserve to be offended.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's hardly a strawman. Based on nothing but a statement that many Americans who don't buy into Trump's cult are still discontent with the system, you presumed that all of them, or at least a significant majority, are either against your rights, or at least willing to sacrifice them for some unspecified reason.

There is no conflict between being against the mass hording of wealth that plagues this country, and supporting the freedoms of disadvantaged groups. You seem awfully willing to abandon the fight for the economic prosperity for all Americans, not because it helps your minority, but because you get to be smug while society crumbles.

If the message is that people should vote for the lesser of two evils, especially to protect vulnerable classes, I'm right with you. If the message is "shut up about what's wrong with the Democratic party" then you are playing right into Republican strategy.

The Democrats don't want you dead, but they don't really care much if you live or die. The Democratic establishment is consistently the last on board for minority rights. Look at gay marriage for example. It wasn't until the idea became overwhelmingly popular that establishment Democrats came on board. The Defense of Marriage Act and "Don't ask, don't tell" both had overwhelming support from the Democratic establishment. Even then, gay marriage was enacted by the Supreme Court, and the Democrats have made no effort whatsoever to protect it in legislation, just like RvW.

At least the Republicans are honest in a warped way. Democrats hold minority interests hostage to further their own financial interests. They want your neck perpetually on the chopping block because they benefit from your peril. It's a game they play and, one time or another, it will be you that loses.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

everyone who has a problem with how the Democrats run things is an enemy

Unless you can show me where I said that, it's a strawman..

Based on nothing but a statement that many Americans who don’t buy into Trump’s cult are still discontent with the system, you presumed that all of them, or at least a significant majority, are either against your rights, or at least willing to sacrifice them for some unspecified reason

Don't assume what I presume as you're incorrect and that's not at all what I said.

There are plenty of discontent Americans who didn’t fall into Trump’s cult.

You must be assuming every one of them is a democrat, which is obviously not true. You make a lot of assumptions.

I'm not really interested in arguing over it, it's probably more hassle than it's worth. It's been a long day, I'm sure we agree on lots of stuff, have a nice night.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Hitler's book was literally titled "my struggle." His whole shtick was "I'm just this poor downtrodden Everyman trying to help the country, but the bad people won't let me!"

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Angry mobs are dangerous. Any buffoon can rile one up.