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As things stand with the major political parties in the US you'll get neither.
Support for Ukraine is waning in the Dems, and the Reps are a Russian puppet. But as Israel is heading to war with Iran, both parties will sacrifice Ukraine, so that they can focus their war efforts on Iran.
I love it when people just declare things without bothering to check.
https://today.umd.edu/umd-critical-issues-poll-public-support-for-ukraine-jumps
Are those Americans members of the Democratic party and in particular in the house or senate?
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine
So that is 66.8 Billion in 2022, 47.4 Billion in 2023 and 61.3 Billion in 2024. However it is always to little and too late. By the threat Ukraine is facing now, it would need to be stepped up significantly. Note that these are including all money spend in relation to Ukraine/the war. Of the 175 Billion total only 106 Billion are direct military aid.
Also lets compare Ukraine aid per capita to Israel aid per capita. Ukraine had 41 Million people before the start of the Russian invasion. 106 Billion military aid amounts to 2,585 $ per Ukrainian over 2.5 years.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-us-military-spending-8e6e5033f7a1334bf6e35f86e7040e14
The US has sent 17.9 Billion to Israel over the past year. Israel has a population of 9.3 Million people, of which 7.2 Million are considered "real" Israelis by the ethnostate definition. So that is 2,486 $ per "real" Israeli in one year. If we include the second grade citizen arabs, it amounts to 1.925 $ per Israeli citizen.
One year of Israels onslaught on Gaza and now Lebanon is worth about the same to the US like 2.5 years of Ukraine defending itself against Russias invasion.
If we look at the per GDP aid to Ukraine, the US is way below many European countries, see first source.
When it comes to hiking up the "aid" or "involvement" in Israels attacks on its neighbors Ukraine will suffer grave consequences as the US will reduce its spending. With the US reducing its spending, chance is high that the European countries feel their spending to be hopeless and withdraw aid to Ukraine too, trying to pressure Ukraine into giving up territory to Russia for achieving a truce instead.
Yes, those are American members of the Democratic party. That's why they are called "Democrats." Almost none of them are in the house or senate. You didn't mention those. This is what you said:
The rest of your post is irrelevant to the fact that you said something that you assumed was true because you didn't bother looking it up and if you had, you'd have found out it wasn't.
Then let me clarify: the Democratic party politicians and officials in office, who exert the political party of the power.
Who rely on the members of the Democratic party to stay in office? And it's an election year?
I'd say support for Ukraine is something they're considering.
That would still help Ukraine. I loathe the lack of support from my party and of course the Republicans are basically Z fascists at this point. But cutting up one part of the Russia, Iran, North Korea axis would help Ukraine if only indirectly. The worst thing we could do is do nothing.
If the US stops or drastically reduces military aid to Ukraine and moves its surveillance efforts to West Asia, that will devastate Ukraines war effort. Iran only sells some missiles to Russia. Ending that is in no proportion to what Ukraine would loose in US support.
Also the resulting Oil price hike would replenish Russias war chest and drive another global recession, reducing the willingness of EU countries to step up their military support.