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[-] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago

That's fair, and you're entitled to believe what you like.

My faith tells me that the possible (though unlikely) set of events must be true, as the alternative is impossible and just as unlikely.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 3 days ago
[-] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

In the simplest possible terms: people do not come back from the dead. That is an impossible thing.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 3 days ago
[-] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Logic and reason from billions of people's shared experiences on the earth.

Feel free to die and return and prove me wrong.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 3 days ago

So, you're saying Jesus didn't rise from the dead because it's impossible. And that we know it's impossible because nobody's risen from the dead, which should include Jesus because you reject that he rose from the dead because it's impossible.

Isn't this circular reasoning?

[-] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

Sure. Whenever discussing religion one will fall into circular reasoning, because faith itself is circular reasoning. One cannot use logic or reason to get out of a position that logic and reason did not get them into.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 3 days ago

How is faith circular reasoning?

[-] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

And forgive me for my use of "impossible" earlier, that's not my position.

"Highly improbable" is a way better qualifier.

Not going to edit it because it ruins the context.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 3 days ago

Well, it is highly improbable, because only a few people have, either by this aforementioned person or himself. And it requires supernatural powers.

[-] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Right, and it's much more likely that some true stories about a great dude got exaggerated a little bit over 2000 years, and vanishingly less likely that magic is real.

But both are absolutely possible.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 3 days ago

The Jesus we believe in was written about 2000 years ago. Our beliefs haven't changed.

[-] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

You believe because you believe.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 3 days ago

Then our belief in anything can be put to circular reasoning

[-] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Not exactly. Some things can be proven. But regarding things that happened thousands of years ago? Yeah that's just everyone's best guess and personal beliefs.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 3 days ago

We can't prove that anne frank existed though. Those videos of her could have been an actress. The story could have been an elaborate rouse. Etc, etc

You believe that anne frank existed because you believe that she existed, etc, etc

[-] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Odd example but correct, we cannot know with absolute certainty. But her story doesn't feature magic, so it's much easier to believe.

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