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Last time I checked on those people they claimed Trump would be completely pro Palestinian and everyone who didn’t see this true true was stupid. Didn’t know they jumped right to jUsT As BaD.
Yeah, their newest cope is to say the Democrats are equally as bad as the Republicans, despite that being so blatantly false to anyone who has been paying attention for the past 8 years. They're in for a very rude surprise when their plan to "push the Dems left" results in Trump obliterating Gaza and enacting Project 2025 and pushing the country even further right than it is now. And there won't be another election for the Dems to court Left voters for.
No one claimed Trump would be better for Palestine, we've said Harris and Biden is as bad as Trump would be.
Ohh, well here is a perfect example of him being worse.
Biden/Harris still "just as bad?"
Right now there is effectively a ban on Palestinians.
In NO sane world is a ban worse then actual genocide
So it's your honest belief that Trump will just literally, not "defacto," ban Palestinian refugees and go no further?
The man who said he would illegally exile American Palestinian supporters? The man whose only comment directly on the genocide is that Israel needs to "finish the problem?"
You think the half cocked, more extreme person who has already called for more brutality to Palestine and Americans who support Palenstine, who is clearly playing politics by not stating his exact concept of a plan for Palestine, is the better answer here?
They saw the rhetoric against Haitians in Ohio and were delighted. There's no point in attempting to reason with them, unless it is fun.
There are only three kinds of lemmy.ml denizens. The first are MAGA and want Donald to start pogroms in the US. The second are "leftists" who love state capitalism like China or straight-up oligarchical kleptocracy Russia, they want the US to fail so China-style authoritarianism can spread. The third signed up for the wrong instance and will eventually leave when they find out the admins are deathly frightened of facts.
They're both going to be shit to Palestine because they're both owned by Zionists. And with an amount of money and weapons that the US is providing to Netanyahu, they are allowing him to finish the problem.
no one is saying trump is better
Tankies are sure saying Trump is better.
Yes they are. Every single thing that Trump will do to these brutalized people is always minimized, ignored or "both sized" in these threads.
Every example of his brutality is hand waved away to somehow say that "nuh uh, he can't be worse because then I would have to make a pragmatic choice."
I mean for fuck sake. He just literally a week ago claimed against all evidence that legal Haitian immigrants were eating American cats and dogs in front of the whole fucking nation, and we are still playing this very stupid game? People want to pretend this evil, racist, vindictive fuck is somehow the right option and still want to argue about this?
By saying Biden is "as bad" they're effectively saying "Trump is better than IRL Trump" which is an objectively false position. Its effectively a campaign to whitewash Trump's clearly awful positions.
Its not hard to say "Biden is bad and Trump is worse for Palestine"
Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators
So we should completely ignore what's going on by something that he has said. If we're holding people accountable by what they've said, should we not also be holding Harris accountable by saying that she once supported livable wages and universal health care?
Yes, now you're starting to get it. People, especially politicians, should be held accountable to their words.
And no one does, if they were held accountable people like Biden and Trump would have never been considered as viable candidates. Biden in 1988 was a prime example, he was held accountable for his lies. If people were held accountable no one would consider Harris based on her past.
So hold no one accountable and don't try to model future behaviors based on past actions and statements? I guess it's better to grab performative notes from Twitter.
At the end of the day, the likelihood of survival for any given Palestinian drops dramatically with trump as president as compared to Harris. Does this mean Harris is doing everything or will do everything she should? Absolutely not. But if you actually give a shit about people's lives, then, yes, strategic voting, particularly in this case, is necessary mitigating action. Or maybe you don't actually care about humans living or dying and are, like I said, just engaging in social media fueled performative bullshit to justify apathy and laziness.
I am voting strategically, against both shades of fascism. Continuing to reward bad behavior by electing them creates worse behavior. Republicans have gone from Nixon, who even Obama said was to the left of him, to total garbage like Trump because Republicans wouldn't hold their politicians accountable. Democrats have gone from someone like Carter to someone denying there is a genocide happening in the ME because they wouldn't hold their politicians accountable.
How are you holding them accountable when one of them is still going to be in power? You're just sacrificing one of the few concrete mechanisms you have to actually make things better. Yeah, a Harris victory doesn't mean immediate victory in the fight against this atrocity, but a Trump election does mean defeat.
This is a blatant lie.
I mean it does look a lot like Trump will not only aid Israel genocide of gaza but will join in on the murder. Maybe the time for false equivocation is over ?
You mean exactly like what's going on right now? They are both owned by AIPAC and will do what AIPAC wants.
Israeli settlers are naming an illegal settlement after Trump in the Golan Heights after his administration recognized them as part of Israel. Why would Israeli settlers, Netanyahu and the larger Israeli ethnostate project all be supporting Trump if he's exactly the same as Joe Biden?