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[–] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 86 points 1 month ago (8 children)

This is all funny until you do it. Trying this kind of shit in 2009 as I was starting to fully transition got me a full swing baseball bat to my hip. I laid there for maybe 30 mins before I could crawl to a phone.

From a safety standpoint, please don't do this. Just flip them off as you walk away and then vote as if your life depends on it, because it just may.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

This is why everyone who isn't a cis hetero white Christian man absolutely needs to buy a gun and learn how to use it. It's your job to defend yourself. (Don't get me wrong, allies are great, and people should be helping each other against the bigots, but end of the day, you're alone, gotta defend yourself)

Edit: also, I'm really sorry that happened, not trying to blame the victim, just advocating for people taking their power back

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In most countries you can't buy a gun. Then again in most places that kind of violence carries significant jail time.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

Oh, yeah I meant in the US... Sorry to be US centric

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Oh fuck off. This argument only gets upvoted here when it's specifically not for the straight white males? I can read the room and the room can go fuck itself.

Here's what you should have said:

Everyone should buy a gun and learn how to use it, maintain it, secure it, and exercise restraint when you're just mad at someone. It's your job to defend yourself because anything can happen in the world. People should be helping each other overcome violent people.

You don't have to be a gun nut to have something worth protecting(like idk, your life?) and protect it.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 1 month ago (3 children)

No. Hard to do when there was no way to identify them. I mouthed off at a gas station, and before I could react, a dude jumped out of a truck and assaulted me.

[–] toothpaste_sandwich@feddit.nl 26 points 1 month ago

Fun! How pious of them.

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Surely the gas station had cameras?

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We then know that they were white, were wearing clothing and the police says there were very fine people on both sides of this altercation.

[–] Hupf@feddit.org 14 points 1 month ago

But God forbid you try to drive of without paying. Then: believe it or not, straight to jail.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 month ago

Fucking me sideways, I am so sorry you went though that.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That both tracks and also says all anyone needs to hear about how much they actually believe in their religion that says to turn the other cheek. Holy hell

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Supply side Jesus approves though

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm sorry that happened to you but I appreciate you warning people of the dangers of being confrontational with these people.

It's not worth it. You won't change their mind, people nearby aren't going to clap for you, you're just unnecessarily putting yourself in harms way because many of these people are not kind, they will respond aggressively.

[–] ManOMorphos@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

And to add, they will only fight if they have an unfair advantage (more people, better weapons, etc). It's better to defend your own ground if necessary.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

i dont think you will be able to vote away religious fundamentalism.

maybe bring a bat next time you are feeling cheeky, just in case.

[–] moonbunny@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Depending on the jurisdiction, always have a baseball and potentially gloves with you as well. Having only a baseball bat can be considered as either possession of a weapon or having an intent to cause harm I think, which can really backfire when authorities get involved.

IANAL, and anyone reading should consult their local laws surrounding self-defence before carrying items for the express purpose of self-defence

[–] SirDerpy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A mod deleted my comment and suggested I approach in a better way. I apologize for my presentation.

You were righteously angry. And, it's definitely not ethical for the other to respond to words with physical violence.

I'm a multiple-minority with a strong sense of justice. I speak from experience when I say: We must pick our battles and means wisely, particularly since the orange baffoon emboldened a wide scope and magnitude of hatred.

I wasn't there. But, it seems almost certain this was not a wise battle for you to fight alone, perhaps at all. There's almost certainly something you should learn from this. And, whatever it is to be learned, it's definitely not to silence yourself and advocate others follow.

If you tell us more and solicit others' input then maybe there's insight we could offer. And, if this isn't a safe enough space to do that, PM me. I'll share a place where such a post would be very well-received.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago

Gotta organize against physical violence any time of the day. Exercising violence to silence the voices that do not call to violence themselves should become unthinkable.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh no. I am the one who knocks. I can be bold because of my particular fitness and low aversion to the idea of hurting people.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do not hurt people unless they were the initiators. Even if you can.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Well yeah. I don't seek out hurting anyone. I just don't get bothered by the idea of shutting down an aggressor with force. Like, I seem to be sociopathic a bit. Definitely not feelingless, but kinda toned down feelings.