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I don’t have much to add because I agree with you on almost all of this. If the summation is pretty much that the Democratic Party is more unified in a post-trump era and that a third party would only serve to hurt them less because of that reason, then I agree with that. Whereas if republicans win this election, the US has a very dark future that may unite extremists and the death of the party would be less of a mess and more of an uphill battle for the entire country. At that point a third party would almost be irrelevant under the threat of a fall of democracy.
However, the only parts I disagree with are the parts where you talk about how the left is more cohesive. I think the problem that I’ve long noted with the left is that they all have very different political bends which does cause infighting and I think you’re underestimated the infighting that’s present. I don’t think the republicans have anything quite as serious as the liberal vs leftist split that the dems have. They have extremists but I’d point out that the extreme right is just an extension or an exaggeration of most of their views.
For instance, most republicans support anti-immigration policy and a lot of them do it due to some variety of racism or xenophobia. So when an extremist comes along and says some racist things explicitly, they’ll have everyone else on board for 90% of the conversation despite the different intentions.
Whereas with the left, liberals and leftists have very different ideals. And while it’s usually fine to combat the anti-republican ideals together, aside from that we are very split. You see this when Kamala is supporting fracking live on stage despite the ecological impacts that most of her party claims to be worried about. More moderate people will be convinced by this, which is why she said it. But the divide between a moderate democrat and a serious liberal or leftist on that issue would be night and day and you won’t have much middle ground there. Just something to think about.
yeah, idk what would happen under a republican win, either this is going to be the most lame boring term ever, and then trump gets kicked out, cant do it ever again (according to ben shapiro of course) and the republican part has to figure out what to do after this. Or the entire governmental institution literally gets over thrown. And we end up in a civil war type scenario, in which case we probably know what to do lol.
i'm not sure honestly, i think something like fracking, while there would be a difference in opinion over it, i think federal legislation of fracking is bad, unless it's done under something like the EPA, assuming they have any power anymore lol. Aside from that i think you would want to leave it to a state/city/county basis, since that's going to be where the localized impacts are going to be at. I.E. Probably where the most effective legislation is going to happen.
oil is also one of those things that's going to be consumed regardless of whether or not it's good for the planet, so if we don't frack, someone else is likely to frack anyway. Shit's going to happen one way or another, but i guess in this case it's probably just NIMBYism.
Obviously there's going to be a difference, but i don't think like we see with the political right that it's going to heavily fracture the political party, both of those people are probably going to vote for kamala at the end of the day.