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Strange New Worlds has been my favorite Trek since Next Generation, and if the quality continues, could easily be my favorite Trek ever. But with the e.p. wishing for more episodes per season, there’s a danger of diluting the show by adding weak episodes that would have never made it in a 10 episode season.

One of the things I’ve long admired with BBC shows is their normally low-episode seasons, which kept out a lot of filler that normally made it in to the broadcast shows from the states. But streaming (and before that, cable) changed things. Finally US based shows were able to create much lower episode seasons, allowing the creators to tell more of the story they wanted to tell, without stretching things out (too much), or being forced to add stories they weren’t thrilled with in order to fill the season. (Though, even with shorter runs, shows are still doing this. Picard season 2, for example, could have used some trimming. So, yeah, show runners are still being forced to fill seasons where X number of episodes were ordered before the story was fleshed out. Maybe it just seems more evident in serialized shows.)

I can’t help but think a longer season of SNW would be a “more is less” scenario. I’d much rather see Paramount create another Trek show that’s mainly episodic, that’s been shown the same attention to quality that SNW has received.

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[-] milkisklim@lemm.ee 66 points 10 months ago

Alternatively, some of the best episodes of TNG were "bottle" episodes to fill space and keep costs down. If 90s trek had shorter seasons would we have had "Measure of a Man" ,"Duet", or "Masks" made?

I know the days of a 24 episode season are long gone due to the increase of production time in modern TV, but maybe we could have 13 to 15 episodes ? Enough for a 10 episode dedicated season arc with a few others just to explore some weird anomalies that make no sense at all.

[-] lucidinferno@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I said pretty much the same in a comment above, but I'm not against filler, or bottle episodes, though I may have come off that way. I'm just against bad filler, stuff that would have never made it into a show if there was no predetermined season lengths. In a perfect world, it would be great if stories could be chosen simply because they were great stories. I'd like to know that something like the Fly episode of Breaking Bad would could still be filmed just because the show runners thought it was a great story, and not because they had a make a certain number of episodes and needed to save some money on one episode so they could spend more on another.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Honestly, I think there should be some really corny/goofy "what were they thinking" clunker episodes. Not lazy writing that disregards established character traits or contradicts itself or anything, but something they try that doesn't work, but they tried in earnest and it shows.

Something that reminds you of the participatory nature of suspension of disbelief.

[-] jaelisp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago

Not sure I'd put Masks alongside Measure of Man or Duet. Or indeed have it as an argument for filler episodes.

Given TNG never had much character serialisation, I'd say filler is more like those DS9 and ENT episodes late on that never fit I to anybody's arc. Like the holosuite ones. Some amazing ones from DS9. Some less so from Enterprise.

But SNW has a good balance between episodic and serialisation. All this comes down to can they keep up the quality on greater volume. That needs more investment at a time when Paramount is cutting back...

[-] milkisklim@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Masks is my favorite Data TNG episode.

[-] Richard@startrek.website 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah Spiner's acting in that episode is great, it's a bit ridiculous and over the point but I believe that that was intentional, and I am not holding it against the episode

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