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Oh, this is just a normal urban conflict? That's good. I thought that since a U.N. human rights expert said what was happening in Gaza was a genocide, the ICJ demanding Israel prevent Gaza from becoming a genocide, and that dozens of nations and NGOs recognize this as a genocide, this was probably a genocide. Luckily, you were here to tell me this was normal and that I shouldn't believe everything I see on the internet. Thanks, random account! Your empty words, backed by no evidence, have shown me the error of believing in the reporting I followed from actual journalists!
In all seriousness though, you disgust me. Attempting to convince me that facts I learned, from reading and listening to hours of reporting, is just an internet narrative would be laughable if it weren't so dangerous. Your attempts to make me believe my sympathy for the tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians that have been killed is actually rooted in antisemitism is cowardly and manipulative. And your false equivalence between calling for the end of a genocide and JD Vance's weird comments on Mountain Dew is just pathetic.
You've built in your head a narrative that criticism of Israel is antisemitic, and rather than consider the possibility that you may be incorrect, you've taken it upon yourself to chastise anyone who criticizes Israel. You demand that everyone else reevaluate their own beliefs so that you don't have to reexamine yours. And that's led you to genocide denial. Great job buddy, great fucking job.
Your links are from nearly 6 months ago. There were concerns from people that don't know what a war is. Yes, there were high casualty numbers when the IDF initially moved in, because there was a lot of combat happening between the IDF and Hamas. But after that the war became low intensity and the casualty numbers leveled off. If a country was committing genocide the civilian casualties would increase when there was no longer anyone there to defend them. We've seen the opposite trend in Gaza. High casualties in the initial stages when there was heavy fighting, casualties drop off when Hamas loses control of an area.
The UN expressed concerns about a potential genocide, but we haven't heard much in the last six months. It's because the genocide the UN had concerns about didn't happen. Check your wikipedia link again. They may soon change the page from "Gaza genocide" to "Accusations of Gazan genocide in the Israel–Hamas war" because.... well people are realizing the genocide narrative being heavily promoted didn't actually materialize.
What do you suppose it would be like to be on the wrong side of history? What will historians say about people that wanted a war to be called a genocide in an obvious effort to foment hatred against a country? Only time will tell I suppose.
But at any rate the pattern of behavior is undeniable. The pro-Palestinian movement have the exact same behavior as the alt right. There's a great many conspiracy theories shared between the pro-Palestinian movement and the alt-right, same distrust of media that doesn't conform to their biases, same misuse of terms like genocide to create a violent fervor. At this point the only thing the genocide narrative is accomplishing is helping Hamas and friends recruitment numbers which will result in more violence in the future. Is this what you want?
Well, maybe you haven't, but today I read in the AP that the the U.N. chief called the destruction in Gaza the worst he had ever seen. His exact words were:
He then went on to say that a two-state solution was the only path forward, and compared Israeli treatment of Palestinians to South African apartheid:
Anyway, I guess this must be one of those antisemitic dog whistles you're talking about. I must be a moron for believing every crazy thing being said by...[checks notes]...the Associated Press and the United Nations. I bet those are some of those racist conspiracy sources you're talking about. From now on I'll only trust reliable sources like yours, which is...[checks post]..."trust me bro!"
Also, speaking of sources, did you know that Wikipedia actually did the opposite of what you suggested? They voted to remove the words, "allegations of," from the article because they decided that there was enough evidence to call it a genocide. Thanks for bringing that up, I forgot about that!
What do you suppose it would be like to be on the wrong side of history? I'm guessing you're going to find out real soon, given that you're resistant to doing any kind of introspection on whether any of your views might be stemming from biases. It's a shame you lack the self-awareness to take your own advice and reevaluate your beliefs (beliefs which, again, include FUCKING GENOCIDE DENIAL). But maybe you'll feel a bit better if you keep calling everyone else antisemitic and comparing them to the alt-right. Then you won't have to think about the atrocities you're supporting.