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I'm pretty sure the genzedong ban I'm talking about was around late 2021/early 2022 timeframe, so that had made its mark on the lemmy culture well before the time you had joined.
The federation issues I'm talking about were the inevitable issues going from federation not existing to testing it out for the very first time. Lemmy in 2020 and maybe up to early 2021 was disjoint sites with no federation at all working yet. Not 100% that I've got accurate time for federation beginning (or anything else really), estimating based on getting my account mid 2020 but I know I was lurking for a good while before. I'm generally not enthusiastic registering new accounts anywhere, and no big issues with lurking, so while it might have only been a few months I was lurking, it could have been as much as over a full year before I actually got an account to participate myself.
it was february 2022, they got quarantined because of the war.
regardless, the original point you made was genzedong users flooding grad caused a lot of huge drama that midwest.social admins/users just did not want to deal with which is why the defederated. so it went from relatively calm to chaotic. I'm saying the same thing happened when hexbear refederated but even worse because of how huge the instance is and how active and aggressive many of its posters are, so it went from a relative calm (even if it wasn't as calm as before 2022) to very chaotic with constant drama and fighting. Once again, hexbear users ended up help ballooning a post about them to by far the most comments the instance has ever had in a local community, that is a ton of activity to come out of no where
I think you're really underselling the "wasn't as calm" point here.
maybe, but there were constant posts everywhere about defederating hexbear and massive threads of hexbear users fighting liberals that dwarfed anything grad did when the migration happen. what I am saying it went from what, a 1 to 80 when genzedong happened and from a 50 to 200 when hexbear joined
Yeah, the last line is essentially what I was trying to say about underselling the impact of starting points. Just looking at outcomes the scale makes you think the second should be more drastic, but when you also consider the context of what the community was beforehand it's factor of eighty vs a factor of four.
i mean I might be underselling how much hexbears impact was. like, everytime any thread mentioned hexbear they blew the fuck up, i forgot about this one and found it in the linked thread but lemm.ee had one that got like 1300 comments and like 900+ of them were from people on hexbear