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[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 172 points 3 months ago

Stop treating these fucks with kid gloves for fucks sake. Press the goddamn charges! Quit being fearful of retaliation because that is exactly what the rapist and his cult want. This is frustrating.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 140 points 3 months ago

The problem is that as a random cemetery worker who can't afford bodyguards 24/7, pressing charges stands a significant chance of getting you killed.

[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 81 points 3 months ago

And doing nothing only emboldens them.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 63 points 3 months ago

For sure. But as an individual, it makes a lot of sense to hide instead of fight.

[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 26 points 3 months ago

As does the system of nothing happening to people like Trump, while also allowing him to use his platform to target his cult on his new "enemy". We need a system that will treat a former president accused of assault the same way the cops would respond to an alleged assault with a minority involved.

Until the system is actually going to work for the victim instead of caring about the optics of the assailant (or their "help"), I don't blame this woman for not wanting to put a target on herself for just doing her job and protecting the privacy/dignity of fallen soldiers and their families.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

president accused of assault

I keep seeing this sort of comment, as if Trump himself was involved. I'm still not clear if he was present at the altercation. Anyone know exactly where he was during all this?

[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 2 points 3 months ago

It was his campaign staff doing the assault, but you think their dear leader was just chilling in the car or something while this woman stepped in to shut down the illegal photoshoot happening? It was his campaign staff there illegally, I think that puts him on the hook for this.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

In case you've forgotten, Trump has been more than accused of sexual assault.

[-] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Why the fuck can't the police place charges anyway? Here in Canada any assault charge is automatic, it doesn't require the victim to do anything. Is that not true in the US?

[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

The government can press charges on your behalf, but if you’re resistant they will often let the matter drop. It’s really hard to win a case like this if the victim refuses to testify.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah but there's video evidence in this case

That being said, I don't think the state should endanger a victim who is afraid for their safety and not consenting by making them go to trial

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Depends on the state and sometimes city.

I'm not sure what Arlington Cemetery actually counts as for law enforcement, but it's in Virginia, a former slave state.

Fun Fact: the property was confiscated from Robert E Lee following a tax dispute (they couldn't pay the back taxes they owed from the Civil War)

https://www.history.com/news/arlington-national-cemetery-robert-e-lee-estate

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

You would sacrifice your life or your family to teach Trump a lesson?

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

Stormy Daniels could have disappeared very quietly. She chose to be a witness instead, and Trump has borne the fallout from that case seeing the light of day.

Look at all the #MeToo abusers who fell from power and public favor - their behavior was “known” publicly in their industry but not widely across the country - and so they remained in positions of power and influence to continue that abuse.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

When has a MAGA fanatic gone out and attacked an individual that crossed Trump? I'm sure it's happened, but I can't think of a single incident. Does Pelosi's husband count? That felt more like a, "kill libs" thing, and she was a much higher profile target than you and I ever will be.

I'd press charges, be scared shitless and have guns salted around the house like Easter eggs. My kids would be staying inside unless we drove away to get outdoors. And my wife's pistol training would go from, "how to have fun safely" to "here's how self-defense works".

Shitty way to live? You fucking bet, but it would only be temporary, soon forgotten. A Trump Presidency would be permanent.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If Trump wins in November do you think he will spare your family that you protected by not teaching him a lesson?

Do you not think its cowardly to not stand up for your fellow citizens and instead stand for only yourself?

It's like Hurricane Katrina all over again. "Just leave the poors to suffer, fuck em, we are rich and escaped so who cares."

USA if falling apart because everyone cares about their own skins more than the collective.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

SO....you WOULD get your children killed so a Trump staffer gets a slap on the wrist? How does that help the collective again?

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

The fact that no one even considers organizing in reverse to protect this person against the crazies is really revealing, you know.

Black Panthers started because they knew they couldn't trust external forces to protect them.

Glad to know none of y'all will stand up for this persons family, and instead think them standing up to this would equal "killing their own kids" instead of you giving an inch and helping protect them.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Sorry, but you forgot to blame us all for Katrina again and therefore your point is invalid.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

Ray Nagin Crying GIF

[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

You’re the one calling her a coward. How is that protecting her? Start organizing and I’ll join you. Keep calling her a coward for refusing to step up with no protection and I’ll know you’re a hypocrite.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

Okay, let's do it. How would you like to go about organizing? A GoFund me to fund people who can go there and stay vigilant? A meetup group or a change.org petition to get people aware of it? Both?

I'm being serious.

[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I don’t know, man. If you start a gofundme I’ll donate, but in reality you’d need a mutual aid movement like the black panthers to protect against these militarized fascist thugs. Calling her a coward is bullshit, we can’t demand other people step up for martyrdom.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

Okay, well, it looks like I actually need her contact information on GoFundMe to invite her to be a beneficiary of funds. I'm definitely not willing to put that in my own bank account, that's sketch. Further, I need their full name, which would appear on the GoFundMe page. So, I guess that's out.

https://support.gofundme.com/hc/en-us/articles/204993267-How-to-invite-a-beneficiary-to-receive-funds

Best bet is probably organizing a group, which is honestly the better solution, as you pointed out.

[-] BDalt@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

Man, fuck stochastic terrorism.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

This. And if they having been paying any attention, they can see that someone like Nancy Pelosi was even vulnerable to an attack from these demons. They came for her, but got her husband. And that's someone prominent like Nancy - imagine being a cemetary worker and knowing the kind of hate and vitriol and quite possibly, literal violence that would be aimed at you (and your family - these asshats are cowards to the core, of course).

[-] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What a shame the assassin missed.

There would undoubtedly be fallout, but the public really needs to remember that we are the ones allowing democracy to be shit on and destroyed in front of our eyes as Media across the country only cares about engagement.

It turns out letting America be held hostage by Fascists makes for good TV, and the 6 people who own almost every media outlet never forgot how great enslaved populations were for their bottom line.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Probably best that Trump survives to lose, and lose hard. Had be been assassinated, he'd be the perfect martyr and we'd never be free of MAGA. There's no heir apparent ATM, but given the power vacuum his murder would have opened, bet they would have found one with the quickness. Pre-election, even a natural death would open doors. Plus, imagine the violence that would have erupted.

Right now we're only seeing low-level stochastic terrorism, but I honestly think his most unhinged followers would have been hunting "enemies of the state" (read liberals) in the streets.

Conservatives loathe failures. Yet another Trump failure, they're on the turning away. If Harris thoroughly whips his ass, watch a year from now, "Yeah, I never was a big fan of his." Same as happened to Nixon. Sure, he had die-hard fans, but most of his people got real quiet, real quick.

This campaign is his last ditch, last gasp, chance to stay relevant. If, and I believe when, he loses in a landslide, he's going to quickly spiral into history's outhouse. Loss of personal freedom, money, power and influence, loss of followers, and loss of health on the heels of all that? He's fucked.

Yes, the man has dodged accountability his whole life, but remove his power, money and influence, he's going to be standing buck naked. The chickens are coming home to roost. I can hear them already.

[-] noxy@yiffit.net 2 points 3 months ago

I wish I could believe that we will ever be free of "MAGA".

[-] MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

I mean, it doesn't help when you know the vast majority of police officers, prosecutors, and judges lean to the right. I get what you're saying though.

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