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Also, a lot of nonstick pan coatings are incredibly shortlived and end up in your food if you continue to use a scrarched pan.
I will never use Teflon again. Even using it correctly will kill a bird in the same room. Canary in a coal mine. I won't touch the stuff. Stainless steel or cast iron.
My uncle's parrot he had for a really long time died because he put up some kind of new shades for his living room that off gassed something deadly to birds.
He knew about not using Teflon but not about window shades, or uv resistant plastic products off gassing being hazardous. He was devastated. Some of the shit sold to us is genuinely toxic. It's really messed up when you think about it.
Yes, including in MDF, laminate, most finishes on wood, most plastics, most paints and perfumes. Cement and concrete. Tires. Car exhaust. And there's a lot I'm missing.
Just a FYI, teflon products produced after the removal of PFOAs in 2013 are safe to use.
EDIT: Perhaps PTFE is also bad
PTFE is still allowed and can kill birds from the fumes.
Hmm - I'll have to research more on that. Thanks
PTFE fumes only happen if you leave the pan on the stove with nothing in it. Normal cooking activities don't reach a high enough temp for it to decompose
I'm just not going to risk it. That's not a big enough margin of safety for me compared to something like cast iron.
Watch Dark Waters, the only reason PFOAs got outted was because the DuPont themselves did the reaseasch that showed if was toxic, then Robert Bilott basically dedicated his life to uncovering their coverup. The company then basically for all intents and purposes renamed PFOA so they cant be sued for selling it anymore. The F is the important part. So basically now someone would need to do a huge amount of research out of their own pocket to prove that PFTE was safe.... "trust me bro" - DuPont probably
They still create microplastics.
Get carbon steel as well. Similarity to cast iron but lighter and just as cheap
Sure :) I like suggesting cast iron because it's easy to get secondhand/refurbish
I bought a nonstick wok and my friends kept using steel wool and chipping it and I kept freaking out on them about it. I'm like STOP IT, I'd rather it be dirty than this!
They used to make fun of me freaking out about it.
I feel a bit vindicated with my freak outs now.
You should have thrown it away after the first chip. Anyone reading this, THROW AWAY your chipped Teflon!! Replace with cast iron
Cast iron is, of course, the best. But cooking in that takes more time and energy.
My family (parents etc) have mostly learned their lesson now after all the news coverage, but before that I used to resort to hiding my good non sticks whenever they were staying over. If my parents complained about the shitty old pans that were available, then I pulled out my very sticky nonstick ceramic pan that they had roughed up despite my protests. I'm never throwing that shitty ceramic pan away, it's way too effective as a rhetorical ploy now.
Friends I still mostly don't trust since I don't know their kitchen habits well enough, but they're less likely to try to help with cooking anyhow, only with dish washing and there it's easy to hide the wrong sponges.
If your chipped nonstick is teflon, then it's garbage now imo. I would never cook in it again, too risky imo.
And I now realize that I've become paranoid in my own kitchen.
Cast iron