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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

With the Gringotts bankers being grotesque antisemitic stereotypes, the only black character being named Shacklebolt, and the only character who's against slavery being laughed at by everyone else and then dropping the subject forever, sure!

Knowing all that along with how much of a bigot she is IRL, it requires a HIGH bullshit tolerance to be able to stomach it all.

That's what you meant by tolerance, right?

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Two Indians named Patel. Black kid named brown. You'll never guess the heritage of Seamus Finnegan. She just has stereotypes and nothing else.

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I think that's only in the movies.

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I don't get Your point. Your last name usually reflects where Your family comes from. I'm Polish, and half of the people I ever knew had last names ending in "ski".

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I will name a character pierogi polanski in your honor.

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

And also. Pleas explain me, how are Rowlngs goblins a Jewish stereotype, but Tolkiens dwarves aren't? And what about the Doppler in The Witcher?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

So you're saying that 3 wrongs make a right?

For all his brilliance, Tolkien was a first half of the 20th century devout Catholic, so yeah, he was also a bigot. See also the "dark-skinned savages" from the south with the oliphants.

As for The Witcher, same thing: the author is from Poland, the most Catholic country in the world and one of the whitest so yeah, it's predictable that he'd be kinda bigoted too. Not justified at all, though, just to be clear.

Rowling, on the other hand, doesn't even have the flimsy non-excuse of growing up in a time and place where bigotry is still normalized. She's just a bigot for no other reason than her own ignorance and prejudices.

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I don't agree. The only thing about goblins is that they are bankers. If you hear bankers, and think Jews, that may be that You are stereotyping. Shacklebolt and Cho Chang I consider just poorly though through names. As for the elves being slaves, that has depth. It's not just, elves want to be slaves so we keep them as slaves. The characters in the books ask them, if they like what they are doing. They like it, they talk about it, we see the point of view of elves. It may be my childhood innocence talking, but I never took it as malicious writing. Maybe unconscious stereotyping. But it was the 90s, she didn't know better. But all in all now she is a shit human being and I despise her views.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The only thing about goblins is that they are bankers.

That's categorically NOT true.

If you hear bankers, and think Jews, that may be that You are stereotyping.

Or maybe the fact that you see figures modeled after a Nazi stereotype of Jewish people and think "just bankers" is a You ignoring the obvious to defend the indefensible thing.

Shacklebolt and Cho Chang I consider just poorly though through names

Nobody forced her to give them racist names. That she did so anyway is lazy stereotyping at best, intentional racist belittling at worst.

As for the elves being slaves, that has depth.

Here we go with the slavery apologia..

The characters in the books ask them, if they like what they are doing. They like it, they talk about it, we see the point of view of elves

Just because they've been institutionalized to think that slavery is the only way of life for them doesn't make it ok.

She could easily NOT have had slaves in a world where everything they're forced to do can be accomplished with magic. But no, she CHOSE for there to be slaves and then endorse slavery by making the slaves "want it"

It may be my childhood innocence talking, but I never took it as malicious writing

Definitely you missing it at first, yes. Which is understandable for a child. You should know better than to defend it now, though.

Maybe unconscious stereotyping. But it was the 90s, she didn't know better

That's bullshit. She had full control of an entire magical world and CHOSE to inject unchallenged and lampshaded bigotry into it.

Whether the 1990s or the fucking 1890s, it's her job to know better and do better.

But all in all now she is a shit human being

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Thanks for the comments, Man. I appreciate the fact, that You want to talk about it. If You let me, I Will respond later, as now I'm after a night shift and drunk. Would You be willing to tell me Your age? I think that is an important thing in analysing HP and the authors views. I was born in 87,but I'm polish, so the books got to me a little bit later than most st of the world.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

If You let me, I Will respond later, as now I'm after a night shift and drunk

Sure, enjoy your night lol

Would You be willing to tell me Your age? I think that is an important thing in analysing HP and the authors views. I was born in 87,but I'm polish, so the books got to me a little bit later than most st of the world.

I'm 41 but didn't read them as they came out but rather well into my twenties.

Embarrassingly, I missed a lot of the more problematic stuff back then in spite of not being a child, but I thought harder about it later when learning from others spelling it out for me heh