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[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 52 points 3 years ago (4 children)

Education is knowing that tomatoes are a fruit. Wisdom is knowing to not put them on a fruit salad.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Perspective is knowing that botanists and dieticians can have different definitions for what fruit is.

[–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 8 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Why can't they just get their shit together?

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago (1 children)
[–] Thecornershop@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I would suggest not enough fiber

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago

Moral fiber and dietary fiber are different. Lol

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Never thought about things that way, interesting

[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago
[–] DrPop@lemmy.one 7 points 3 years ago (6 children)

I'm gonna use my food wisdom to devise a tomato fruit salad just to spite this comment.

[–] NorthernDreams@lemmy.world 30 points 3 years ago (1 children)

A tomato fruit salad is a salsa

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago

Salsa is basically fruit salad.

How about a watermelon gazpacho soup? That would be a fruit soup, which when served cold (as it should be) is effectively a blended fruit salad smoothie

[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago

https://www.stonehollowfarmstead.com/products/tomato-vanilla-jam

I've had a similar one. It's decent with cheese like manchego but it's strange.

[–] Cameli_Hostis@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago

Just put ketchup on an apple.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 years ago

Tomatos are evil though -Source my autistic ass

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (2 children)

While this has become a popular saying the more interesting portion I found is that science tends to taxonomize by similarity, form and behaviour in isolation. Culture tends to taxonomize by useage and by weight of historical value bias.

Both are valid because their aims are to do entirely different things. One is to make the study of something more efficient and the other is to inform it's everyday instance of use.

However I find it very unnerving when a judge cares only for cultural precedent and not other ethical systems of determining what is just.

[–] Kethal@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

Modern taxonomy is based on ancestory. Similarity of form and behavior are ways of assessing ancestory, but they are no longer the basis of the taxonomy itself.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

You act as though there is only one correct taxonomy. Scientific taxonomy is determined that way - not cultural taxonomy. Different cultures and language groups taxonomize things in their own way. Like if you are speaking a native Botswanan language things are not divided by plant or animal it is sorted into

  1. Things you can eat
  2. Things that can harm you
  3. "Useless" things

Algonquin language distinguishes animate and inanimate but while plants are generally inanimate somethings like feathers are considered animate.

No one is suggesting these taxonomies should be how we categorize things scientifically but at the same time they are not "wrong". Being able to accept multiple taxonomy systems as functionally correct is nessisary for being able to make useful judgements. In English a blackberry is culturally a berry. We harvest and use it as a berry and have named it thusly while botanically it is an aggregate drupe. Something that helps us interpret it as something closer to a stone fruit. Hence calling it a berry is not wrong. Just not fulfilling the requirements of every available taxonomy. People who are obsessed with being "correct" often latch onto scientific taxonomy but there are risks to creating hierarchy where there is only one right answer that flattens nuanced issues.

Is a fish meat? The level of adhereance to a single answer reveals the individual cultural bias of the individual. Respecting more than one answer means you can better empathize and understand where that person comes from.

[–] Kethal@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

You said "science tends to taxonomize by similarity, form and behaviour in isolation". I am saying that modern science does not form taxonomies on those bases.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

If you are talking about the branch of scientific taxonomy that deals with biology only then yes.

But biology is not the only branch of science that sorts things into categories. Chemistry, Psychology, Geology etc. all have different taxonomic principles based in similarity, behaviour and formation. It is fair I probably should have mentioned ancestry in the case of biology as it's usually the first (and often only) thing people think of when they hear the word "taxonomy" but I admit glossed it over.

Probably since the taxonomy originally being referred to was botony, specifically what counts as a fruit...which is based out of formation and structure of a plant's ovary. Not ancestry.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Noted!

BEAVER IS FISH, EVERYONE! LET'S EAT EM DURING LENT

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

I hear rhe tails are actually quite tasty cooked up right.

[–] Blaidd@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago

Idk though I love salsa, that's basically a tomato fruit salad