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The ultimate, zero carb, elimination diet

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We are focused on health and lifestyle while trying to eat zero carb bioavailable foods.

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Other terms: LCHF Carnivore, Keto Carnivore, Ketogenic Carnivore, Low Carb Carnivore, Zero Carb Carnivore, Animal Based Diet, Animal Sourced Foods


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Carnivore Resources

YouTube Carnivore

Science Based, Factual Discussions:

Experience, testimonials:

Nutritionists/Coaches:

Lifestyle/Influencers:

Mini-Series on all aspects of the Meat science, heath, nutrition, and environment

Books Carnivore

Websites Carnivore

Excellent resource with many references on all things carnivore, may have to click around, recommend

Ketogenic Resources

Carnivore is a subset of Ketogenic eating, so all of the benefits for keto also apply here

YouTube Ketogenic

Science Based, Lectures:

Websites Ketogenic

Science, Guides, Recipes , Hard Science, highly recommended

Keto Virtual Health Program - monitoring, medication titration, coaching, excellent

Books Ketogenic

Feel free to add any suggestions below.

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  • Red meat is a nutrient dense food providing important amounts of protein, essential amino acids, vitamins, and minerals that are the most common nutrient shortages in the world, including vitamin A, iron, and zinc.
  • Despite claims by the World Health Organization (WHO) that eating processed meat causes colon cancer and red meat probably causes cancer, the observational data used to support the claims are weak, confounded by multiple unmeasured factors, and not supported by other types of research needed for such a conclusion. Although intervention studies are designed to test the validity of associations found in observational studies, two interventions of low-fat, low-meat diets in volunteers that failed to find a benefit on cancer were not considered in the WHO decision.
  • It is likely that the association of red-meat consumption with colon cancer is explained either by an inability of epidemiology to detect such a small risk or by combinations of other factors such as greater overweight, less exercise, lower vegetable or dietary fiber intake, and perhaps other habits that differentiate those who eat the most meat from those who eat the least.

Full Paper - https://doi.org/10.1093/af/vfy009

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Any questions or thoughts you have about carnivore, ketogenic, metabolism feel free to fire away, I'll be around this afternoon.

I just ask you remember the human, keep the discussion respectful (no insults, ad hominem attacks, etc) - Think fun coffee chat at university rather then mosh pit at a rally.

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https://adventisthealthstudy.org/studies/AHS-2

Participants: 96,000 Adventists living in the U.S. and Canada

  • 1 FFQ administered 2-3 years after enrollment
  • Ongoing since 2002
  • ~23 ish years without a FFQ followup

Since the list of publications from this dataset is quite extensive

Let's see what the good PhD Kay's remarks on Red and Processed Meat and Mortality in a Low Meat Intake Population

  1. Adventist Health Study Fraud
  • No controls on the population
  • Self-selection
  • Zero Quartile: Vegan death rate 11.53%
  • First Quartile : 11.30%
  • Second Quartile: 10.55%
  • Third Quartile: 9.33%
  • Fourth Quartile (most meat): 9.30%

Dose response, more meat you eat, the less you tend to diet in this group.

However, the study itself reports risk ratios

  • Zero Quartile: RR 1
  • First Quartile: RR 1.16
  • Second Quartile: RR 1.27
  • Third Quartile: RR 1.39
  • Fourth Quartile (most meat): RR 1.58

So how does a group with the lowest recorded death rate 9.30% have the highest risk ratio of 1.58?

Through statistical adjustments of single variate regressions, they are inputing causative values

  • confounder - Risk Adjustment
  • smoking - up
  • age - down
  • alcohol - up
  • exercise - down
  • gender male - up
  • diabetes - up
  • bmi - up
  • graduate degree - up

Modify the original data, and a 9.30% death rate becomes the most risky 1.58... and a 11.53% death rate becomes the least risky 1.0

  1. Correction and Collinearity - Whoops, Adventist Health Study #2

Deeper dive on correcting confounders and collinearity.

  • Use of multivariate correction assumes non-collinearity
    • double pump errors
    • quadruple pump errors
  • There are more men in each quartile going up with meat consumption...
  • men are more likely to die younger
    • Therefore the gender and meat consumption factors are colinear, and cannot be corrected using multivariate correction. These variables are not independent.

Since this paper came up today in the general lemmy zeitgeist - https://hackertalks.com/post/15655222

It's worth revisiting here on the carnivore community now this is about cancer and not mortality... but same authors, same dataset, same agenda, same issues.

My opinion:

The actual study Longitudinal associations between vegetarian dietary habits and site-specific cancers in the Adventist Health Study-2 North American cohort

abstractBackground Associations between vegetarian diets and risk of common cancers are somewhat understood, but such data on medium-frequency cancers are scarce and often imprecise.

Objectives The objectives of this study was to describe multivariable-adjusted associations between different types of vegetarian diets (compared with nonvegetarians) and risk of cancers at different bodily sites.

Methods The Adventist Health Study is a cohort of 95,863 North American Seventh-day Adventists established between 2002 and 2007. These analyses used 79,468 participants initially free of cancer. Baseline dietary data were obtained using a food frequency questionnaire and incident cancers by matching with state and Canadian provincial cancer registries. Hazard ratios (HRs) were estimated using proportional hazard regression. Small amounts of missing data were filled using multiple imputations.

Results Overall cancers, all vegetarians combined compared with nonvegetarians, had HR: 0.88; 95% confidence interval (CI): 0.83,0.93; P < 0.001, and for medium frequency cancers, HR: 0.82; 95% CI: 0.76, 0.89; P < 0.001. Of specific cancers, colorectal (HR: 0.79; 95% CI: 0.66, 0.95; P = 0.011), stomach (HR: 0.55; 95% CI: 0.32, 0.93; P = 0.025), and lymphoproliferative (HR: 0.75; 95% CI: 0.60,0.93; P = 0.010) cancers, were significantly less frequent among vegetarians. A joint test that HR = 1.0 for all vegetarian subtypes compared with nonvegetarians was rejected for cancers of the breast (P = 0.012), lymphoma (P = 0.031), all lymphoproliferative cancers (P = 0.004), prostate cancer (P = 0.030), colorectal cancers (P = 0.023), medium frequency cancers (P < 0.001), and for all cancers combined (P < 0.001).

Conclusions These data indicate a lower risk in vegetarians for all cancers combined, as well as for medium-frequency cancers as a group. Specific cancers with evidence of lower risk are breast, colorectal, prostate, stomach, and lymphoproliferative subtypes. Risk at some other sites may also differ in vegetarians, but statistical power was limited.

I've ranted about my Standards for Nutritional Evidence before, but here are the major issues

  • Observational
  • Weak Hazard Ratios
  • Absolute risk not calculated or published
  • Compares only against the Standard American Diet [SAD]
  • Cannot inform on cause and effect
  • proportional hazard regression is just a fancy way of saying they tried to model out confounders by guessing
  • Food Frequency Questionnaire administered asking about 1 year of food administered once, in a study that has been running since 2002 - 23 years! 21 years since a FFQ
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In this video, I discuss why some popular carnivore influencers have quit the carnivore diet.

Summary Provided By AI LLM NoteGPT.io

Summary

The video explores the reasons behind the creator’s decision to quit the strict carnivore diet after a year and a half, despite initially experiencing significant health benefits such as the resolution of autoimmune conditions, eczema, and asthma. The speaker outlines various health issues he and others encountered, including electrolyte imbalances, hormonal disruptions, and digestive challenges, and explains that these problems were not inherent to the carnivore diet itself but rather due to factors like insufficient calorie intake, improper meal structuring, and overconsumption of certain organ meats (especially liver). The video also highlights how being extremely lean and undereating fat and protein exacerbated symptoms such as cold intolerance, low energy, sleep disturbances, and hormonal imbalances. It emphasizes that many who "quit" carnivore are still consuming predominantly animal-based diets but have introduced carbs or dairy to overcome satiation and digestive issues. The speaker discusses the importance of fat adaptation, the role of insulin in electrolyte retention, and how adding carbs or dairy can resolve many problems related to undereating. Additionally, the video critiques the misinterpretation of lab results, especially regarding iron and thyroid health, and stresses that standard lab ranges may not reflect optimal health. Ultimately, the creator advocates for a meat-heavy diet as essential for human health but acknowledges the need for personalized adjustments to maintain balance and performance.

Highlights

  • 🔥 Eating strict carnivore resolved lifelong autoimmune issues but caused new health challenges over time.
  • ⚠️ Symptoms like muscle cramps, cold intolerance, and hormone imbalances often stemmed from insufficient calorie and electrolyte intake, not the diet itself.
  • 🥩 High consumption of liver led to potential vitamin A toxicity, impacting electrolyte balance and health.
  • 🍳 Undereating protein and fat and eating many small meals prevented adequate insulin spikes, causing electrolyte loss and symptoms.
  • 🥛 Adding dairy and fruit helped increase appetite, energy, and electrolyte balance, resolving many issues linked to strict carnivore.
  • ⏳ Fat adaptation is essential for optimal energy and performance on carnivore but requires weeks to months to develop fully.
  • 📊 Lab values must be interpreted in context; “normal” ranges are based on unhealthy populations, and slightly high ferritin may indicate good iron status on carnivore.

Key Insights

  • ⚖️ Caloric intake and body composition critically influence carnivore diet success: Extremely lean individuals like Paul experienced negative effects because they lacked sufficient energy reserves and were undereating, especially fats. This underscores that strict carnivore is not one-size-fits-all and requires tailoring to body needs and activity levels. Without enough calories, especially fats, the body will downregulate metabolism (e.g., lowering core temperature) to conserve energy, leading to cold intolerance and fatigue.

  • 💉 Insulin’s role extends beyond blood sugar regulation to electrolyte retention: Carnivore’s low carbohydrate intake results in lower insulin levels. However, protein intake also stimulates insulin secretion, which helps kidneys retain sodium and potassium. Small, frequent meals with insufficient protein prevent meaningful insulin spikes, causing electrolyte depletion and symptoms like muscle cramps and heart palpitations. Larger, less frequent protein-rich meals or increased protein intake could mitigate this issue.

  • 🥩 Excessive organ meat consumption can cause micronutrient imbalances: Liver is nutrient-dense but extremely high in vitamin A and copper. Vitamin A accumulates as it is fat soluble and can lead to toxicity, impairing liver and kidney function and disrupting electrolyte balance. This highlights the importance of moderating organ meat intake within carnivore diets to avoid adverse effects.

  • 🥛 Satiation from animal-based diets can lead to unintentional undereating: High protein and fat intakes trigger strong satiety hormones and provide abundant nutrients, causing many people to eat less without realizing it. This can be especially problematic for lean, active individuals who require higher energy intakes. Incorporating more palatable and calorie-dense animal foods like dairy or rotating different types of animal products (e.g., fatty fish, ground beef) can help increase overall intake.

  • Fat adaptation is a gradual process critical for endurance and strength: Athletes new to carnivore or low-carb diets often experience reduced performance initially due to depleted glycogen stores and lack of fat adaptation. Full adaptation can take months, during which the body learns to produce glycogen from fat efficiently. Prematurely quitting carnivore before this adaptation phase can lead to misattributed failure of the diet.

  • 🍓 Introducing carbohydrates strategically can improve appetite, electrolyte balance, and performance: Adding fruit or other carbs on a primarily carnivore diet can increase hunger through blood sugar fluctuations, stimulate insulin release, and improve electrolyte retention. This approach helps those struggling with energy, recovery, or digestive tolerance and may be necessary for some individuals to maintain optimal function.

  • 📈 Lab reference ranges do not always reflect optimal health, especially for those on specialized diets: Ferritin levels normal for the general population (often iron-deficient) may appear high on carnivore but actually indicate good iron stores from heme iron. Similarly, thyroid markers within “normal” ranges may still reflect suboptimal function in lean, active individuals. Understanding these nuances is essential for interpreting lab results meaningfully and avoiding unnecessary alarm.

Conclusion

The video provides a nuanced perspective on the carnivore diet, emphasizing that many issues people face are not due to the diet itself but to how it is implemented, individual physiology, and lifestyle factors. It advocates for personalized dietary adjustments such as increasing calorie intake, moderating organ meat consumption, spacing protein intake to optimize insulin and electrolyte retention, and introducing carbs or dairy when necessary. Fat adaptation is crucial for athletic performance on carnivore but requires patience. The creator ultimately supports a meat-based diet as foundational for health, warning against rigid adherence without considering individual needs and biochemical markers. This balanced analysis offers practical solutions for those struggling with strict carnivore and dispels myths that the diet inherently causes negative health outcomes.

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In this video, I will talk about the start to my Carnivore Diet Journey. This is my week 1 update. I will tell you the good, the bad, and the ugly when it pertains to the transition into the Carnivore diet. I share a Carnivore coaching session that I received from Peter from Carnivore Coach International. He has coached numerous clients and even other Carnivore coaches. His insights were very helpful as I transition to a Carnivore Diet.

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Summary

Brad, known as the "butcher wizard," embarked on a one-week carnivore diet journey, sharing his experiences, challenges, and insights throughout the process. The carnivore diet involves consuming only meat and animal products such as beef, chicken, pork, fish, cheese, and dairy, eliminating all carbohydrates. Brad’s week one was marked by a strong start with satisfying meals but quickly confronted by typical early adaptation symptoms including lethargy, dizziness, and low energy caused primarily by electrolyte imbalance. After consulting with carnivore coach Peter, Brad incorporated electrolyte supplements, which stabilized his condition by day three. He experimented with varying meats to avoid monotony and noticed how deeply ingrained his habitual eating times were, despite not feeling hungry. Brad’s coaching session with Peter shed light on the physiological changes during carb withdrawal, electrolyte importance, and practical tips to ease transition such as not quitting caffeine abruptly. Despite initial weight gain, Brad remained positive and committed to his carnivore journey, setting goals for week two like increasing seafood intake and resuming exercise. He also promoted his Primal Cuts Club, a community offering culinary tutorials and support for carnivore enthusiasts. Overall, Brad’s week one highlighted the mental and physical adjustments required for the carnivore lifestyle, emphasizing patience, electrolyte management, and meal variety to sustain the diet successfully.

Highlights

  • 🥩 Brad commits to a strict one-week carnivore diet, eating only animal products.
  • ⚡ Early lethargy and dizziness traced to electrolyte imbalances, resolved with supplementation.
  • 🍳 Meals like eggs, ground beef, and bacon proved satisfying and helped skip usual meal times.
  • 🤔 Habitual eating patterns challenged as Brad realized hunger cues differ from routine.
  • 🥓 Variety in meats (beef, chicken, fish, shrimp) helps prevent dietary boredom.
  • 🗣️ Expert coaching emphasized gradual transitions and importance of salt and electrolytes.
  • 📈 Despite initial weight gain, Brad remains optimistic and plans to continue with new goals.

Key Insights

  • Electrolytes Are Crucial During Carb Withdrawal: Brad’s dizziness and fatigue on day two were classic signs of electrolyte imbalance, a well-documented side effect of suddenly eliminating carbohydrates. Carbs help retain electrolytes and water; without them, the body flushes out sodium, potassium, and magnesium, leading to symptoms like lightheadedness and lethargy. Supplementing with electrolyte drinks can quickly restore balance and energy, underscoring the need to prioritize mineral intake during carnivore transitions.

  • 🍳 Satiety on Carnivore Diet Can Disrupt Traditional Meal Timing: Brad noted that once he ate a hearty carnivore meal, he didn’t feel hungry at typical meal times, highlighting how protein and fat-rich diets can alter hunger signals and reduce the need for frequent eating. This challenges ingrained habits of eating by the clock and can help reduce unnecessary snacking, a common hurdle for many transitioning from carb-heavy diets.

  • 🥩 Dietary Variety Prevents Carnivore Boredom and Nutritional Gaps: Incorporating different meats—ground beef, steak, chicken, salmon, shrimp—and dairy like fresh mozzarella helped Brad avoid monotony and ensured a broader nutrient profile. This approach is important because strict carnivore diets risk missing out on certain micronutrients if limited to a narrow range of animal products. Variety also promotes adherence by keeping meals interesting.

  • 🛠️ Coaching and Community Support Accelerate Diet Success: Brad’s engagement with an experienced carnivore coach who also trains other coaches exemplifies the value of expert guidance. Personalized tips, such as gradual transitions and electrolyte management, can mitigate common pitfalls. Additionally, Brad’s promotion of the Primal Cuts Club emphasizes that a supportive community with resources and live Q&A can make adopting and maintaining restrictive diets more sustainable and enjoyable.

  • Maintaining Some Familiar Rituals Eases Dietary Transitions: Brad continued to drink coffee, albeit reducing intake and avoiding added sugars, which helped him avoid the compounded stress of quitting caffeine and carbs simultaneously. This highlights the importance of maintaining some comfort rituals to improve adherence during challenging dietary changes.

  • ⚖️ Initial Weight Fluctuations Are Normal and Not Indicative of Failure: Despite expectations, Brad gained two pounds in the first week, a common phenomenon during diet shifts due to changes in water retention, glycogen stores, and metabolic adaptation. Understanding that first-week weight changes do not necessarily reflect fat gain or loss helps maintain motivation and patience during the early phases of carnivore or other restrictive diets.

  • 🏋️ Energy Levels and Physical Activity May Lag Initially but Improve With Time: Brad’s low energy and reduced activity during the first week were expected as the body adapts from carb dependence to fat and protein metabolism. This phase typically lasts a few days to a couple of weeks, after which many report improved stamina and mental clarity. Setting realistic expectations for energy and exercise engagement during initial adaptation can prevent frustration and promote gradual progress.

Closing Thoughts

Brad’s week one carnivore diet experience offers a realistic and approachable glimpse into the challenges and adjustments faced when adopting an all-meat lifestyle. His openness about symptoms, learning curves, and the importance of electrolytes provides valuable insights for anyone considering or starting the diet. Coupled with expert coaching and community support, Brad’s journey underscores that successful carnivore dieting requires patience, variety, and strategic nutrient management. His continued documentation promises further learning and motivation for viewers following similar paths.

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They say the carnivore diet can damage your thyroid, but does the science really support that? In this video, I react to an influencer’s claims about thyroid health, hormones, and the carnivore diet, breaking down what’s myth, what’s fact, and what really matters for your metabolism.

summerizerThe summerizer always gets confused by two speakers who disagree on something, basically one doctor is doing low quality myths on carnivore and doctor westman is going.... well, here is what we actually know.

Summary

The video transcript presents a detailed discussion about the relationship between the carnivore diet and thyroid health, with a critical review of claims made by an osteopath influencer who questions the impact of a meat-only diet on thyroid function. Dr. Eric Westman critically analyzes these claims, drawing from clinical experience and scientific literature to explore whether the carnivore diet harms thyroid function or can be beneficial, especially in thyroid patients. He emphasizes the complexity of thyroid diagnosis and function beyond conventional blood tests, challenges the traditional carbohydrate-centered view of thyroid health, and discusses metabolic adaptations to low-carb and carnivore diets. Key points include the nuanced effects of carbohydrate restriction on thyroid hormones, sex hormones, metabolic health, and sleep. While acknowledging potential benefits of the carnivore diet for some individuals, particularly those with autoimmune thyroid disease or combined thyroid and diabetes conditions, Dr. Westman stresses the lack of definitive long-term research and cautions against universal recommendations. He advocates for personalized approaches, symptom monitoring, and a balanced perspective that weighs metabolic changes, blood markers, and patient well-being rather than relying solely on lab test comparisons to a "normal" unhealthy carb-eating population. The video closes with a call for ongoing research and open-mindedness toward dietary interventions in thyroid management.

Highlights

  • 🥩 The carnivore diet is a subset of low-carb/keto diets, focusing on meat and animal products, excluding carbohydrates.
  • 🔬 Carbohydrates are traditionally believed to be essential for thyroid function, but this is challenged by emerging metabolic science.
  • 📉 Low-carb diets reduce T3 thyroid hormone levels and alter hormone conversion, which may mimic patterns seen in chronic illness or stress, but bloodwork may not reflect patient health in the context of a new metabolism.
  • ⚖️ Blood thyroid levels do not always accurately reflect thyroid function at the cellular level or overall health status.
  • 💪 Carnivore diets can improve metabolic health and energy levels

Key Insights

  • 🧬 Thyroid function is multifaceted and cannot be fully assessed by blood tests alone: Dr. Westman highlights that standard thyroid blood tests (TSH, T3, T4) primarily measure circulating hormone levels, which may not accurately represent thyroid hormone activity inside cells. This discrepancy suggests that diagnosis and treatment should consider symptoms and functional markers (e.g., body temperature, energy levels), not just lab values. The "normal range" often reflects an unhealthy carbohydrate-eating population, skewing our understanding of what is truly "normal." This insight calls for a more holistic diagnostic approach in thyroid care.

  • 🔄 Carbohydrate restriction causes adaptive changes in thyroid hormone metabolism: Numerous studies show that very low carbohydrate intake decreases conversion of inactive T4 to active T3 hormone, lowering T3 levels and raising T4 without changing TSH significantly. This pattern resembles the body's response to chronic illness or stress, often interpreted as "low thyroid function." However, these changes may be adaptive rather than pathological, reflecting altered metabolism rather than thyroid damage. This challenges the dogma that carbs are essential for optimal thyroid function and suggests individualized interpretation of lab results in low-carb contexts.

  • 💉 Sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) increases with low carbohydrate intake, reducing free sex hormone availability: This hormonal shift can decrease free testosterone in men and free estradiol in women, impacting libido, vitality, and overall hormonal balance. The bidirectional relationship between thyroid hormones and sex hormones means that thyroid dysfunction can exacerbate sex hormone issues, and vice versa. This complex interplay underscores the importance of monitoring multiple hormonal axes when evaluating thyroid patients on carnivore or keto diets.

  • 📊 Carnivore diets can improve metabolic markers and energy despite altered thyroid and sex hormone lab values: Dr. Westman and case examples like Dr. Paul Saladino demonstrate that many people experience increased energy, higher basal body temperature, and better metabolic control on carnivore diets—even when thyroid labs show decreased T3 and increased SHBG. This suggests that metabolic adaptation to low carb/carnivore eating might confer health benefits not fully captured by conventional testing, highlighting the limits of relying solely on lab values to judge diet efficacy.

  • ⚖️ Weight loss on carnivore and low-carb diets may appear faster initially due to water loss but results in genuine fat loss long-term: Early rapid weight changes reflect fluid shifts caused by altered insulin and kidney function, which can be misleading. Over extended periods (months to years), fat loss on carnivore diets is on par with other whole food diets. This indicates that carnivore diets are not uniquely superior for weight loss but are a viable option among effective dietary strategies, especially for those with thyroid-related metabolic challenges.

  • 💤 Carnivore and ketogenic diets have been linked anecdotally and in community reports to sleep disturbances ("keto insomnia"), though evidence is limited: Sleep problems during diet transitions may be part of adaptation but could persist in some individuals. Since poor sleep negatively affects thyroid health and overall well-being, this potential downside warrants further research and consideration when recommending carnivore diets, particularly for sensitive thyroid patients.

  • 🔬 There is insufficient high-quality evidence to support long-term use of the carnivore diet for thyroid disease, but short-term use might help certain patients, especially those with autoimmune thyroid conditions or combined thyroid and diabetes: The lack of randomized controlled trials and mechanistic studies means recommendations must be cautious. Anecdotal reports and small case series suggest possible benefits, but clinicians and patients should view carnivore diets as a therapeutic tool rather than a permanent lifestyle for thyroid management until more data is available. This nuanced perspective encourages personalized treatment plans and ongoing monitoring.

Conclusion

Dr. Westman’s review underscores the complexity of thyroid health in the context of dietary interventions like the carnivore diet. While some traditional assumptions about carbohydrate necessity for thyroid function are questioned, the metabolic adaptations induced by low-carb and carnivore diets must be understood in context—blood tests alone are insufficient markers, and symptom assessment remains crucial. The carnivore diet may offer metabolic and symptomatic benefits for some thyroid patients, especially those with autoimmune disease or metabolic comorbidities, but it is not a universal cure or long-term solution. More research is needed to clarify risks and benefits. Ultimately, individualized care, open-mindedness, and a holistic view of metabolism and hormone function are essential for optimizing thyroid health in the era of diverse dietary approaches.

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There are many dietary patterns available and in the zeitgeist.

MacroNutrient

On the macronutrient scale we have 3^3 (27) choices, the most common are:

  • HCHFLP - High Carb, High Fat, Low Protein : This is the "standard"/default western diet
  • HCLFMP - High Carb, Low Fat, Medium Protein: This is the default "healthy" diet recommended by media
  • HCLFHP - High Carb, Low Fat, High Protein: A body builder bulking diet
  • MCLFHP - Medium Carb, Low Fat, High Protein: Body builder cutting diet
  • LCHFMP - Low Carb, High Fat, Moderate Protein : A diet that maintains the metabolic state of ketosis

MicroNutrients Inside of any macronutrient regime there are essential micronutrients/minerals that are required. Essential means the body does not have the ability to produce them from other sources. There are too many to list here, but using a diet tool like chronometer (free and can use the website) will let you see if your covering your micronutrient targets (Recommend Daily Intakes). One note is that the RDAs are usually minimums (though in some contexts may be more then necessary).

Cronometer example micronutrient display

Importantly, VERY importantly, not all foods are ingested by the human body the same, so the amount on the label is not the same that ends up in the body. This is a good paper discussing the bioavailabilty measurements of food, DIAAS seems to be the best scoring system out there to date.

Whole Foods

Regardless of macro and micro nutrient choices, the evidence, and consensus across medical professionals, and zealots, is that eating whole foods from natural sources that are not industrialized and hyper processed is a good guide to health and better outcomes.

If the ingredients for what you are eating are more complex than the name of the thing, you shouldn't eat it. Don't eat food from a factory out of a box and wrapped in plastic!

I.e. shop the outside edge of the grocery store, not the aisles in the middle.

This might be somewhat controversial, but I would include modern seed oils as a type of processed food to be avoided on a Whole food Diet. No vegetable oils that come from a factory please!

Low Carb High Fat / Ketogenic

The LCHF, ketogenic/keto/atkins, macronutrient profile has many benefits - Increasing insulin sensitivity and reducing the issues insulin resistance causes (obesity, hyper tension, pcos, diabetes 2, etc).

The key schism of LCHF diets is over the dietary necessity (or lack thereof) of carbohydrates, this well referenced document is a must read for those who are incredulous. There is NO SUCH THING AS AN ESSENTIAL CARBOHYDRATE - the human body can do gluconeogenesis and produce all the glucose it needs from fat.

Sometimes this LCHF diet is referred to a fed-fasting diet, since it maintains metabolic ketosis even when eating.

The core mechanism of action here is allowing insulin levels to return, and stay at, normal levels throughout the day which enables the body - an amazing homeostasis machine - to function properly. The body is full of feedback mechanisms, like hunger, thirst, satisfaction, etc - to stay in optimal bounds.

Being on a LCHF diet is easy to maintain, because you're not hungry, you can eat as much as you want - you just let your body self regulate.

NOTE - if you are on some medications, such as high blood pressure, and insulin, changing your diet can change the effectiveness of these medications and should be done under medical supervision. Either with your doctor, a metabolic doctor, or a service such as virta. Watch your biomarkers when you change a diet to make sure your medications are not taking you outside of your targets.

LCHF diets can include Plant based diets (vegetarian/vegan), Animal Based Foods (Carnivore), or any mix in between (just keto, or ketovore)

Insulin Sensitivity

93% of Americans (and probably similar in western countries) have insulin resistance, this can manifest as obesity, or high blood pressure, visceral fat, diabetes, etc. It may not be visible at all - Skinny Fat - Thin Outside Fat Inside (TOFI).

You can use your TG/HDL ratio has a very good approximation for your insulin sensitivity. You want to be <0.9 (mmol/L) or <2 (mg/dL). If your ratio is low, congratulations you are insulin sensitive

Carnivore

Carnivore is a strict subset of a LCHF/Ketogenic diet that restricts itself to only animal sourced foods (ASF). The reasons for doing this can include:

  • Better food bioavailability - Need to eat less food
  • Inflammation from different plant based foods - oxalate / lectins
  • Allergies
  • Regenerative and Sustainable farming lifestyle (Local farm can provide biocomplete nutrition without needed to transport rare foods over long distances)
  • Ease of adherence (not that many choices, hard to do it wrong, don't have to count carbs)

ASFs are almost entirely digested in the stomach and large intestine, very little makes it to the small intestine - This is why people eating strict carnivore have less frequent bowel movements, and people with gut issues can see impactful quality of life improvements on this intervention

What should you choose?

Ask yourself what you're trying to achieve? What issues are you tackling? The only thing that matters in personal health is your personal outcomes. Focus on what works for you, or is specifically sustainable for you.

Weight Loss - Don't lose weight to get healthy, get healthy to lose weight - A LCHF diet, or even a Whole Food diet, can be used to regain a healthy metabolism

Most of the benefits of Carnivore can be achieved with just LCHF/keto (Even a vegan keto diet). In terms of most effective things you can do, don't worry about carnivore start with LCHF.

If LCHF/Keto isn't enough, such as persistent inflammation, or prolonged gut issues, then Carnivore could be a good option for you.

If you're insulin sensitive, you can keep doing whatever you have been doing - Keep being awesome!

Civility

I'm sure this conversation will touch on people's passions and triggers, I just ask that when you participate you consider the whole human and speak with each other with compassion and empathy for their choices.

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A question of what level of evidence should be convincing often comes up in health and nutrition discussions.

Observational Epidemiology

This is the vast majority of nutritional publications (notice how I didn't say science). Often people, not just lay people, will use terms like

  • it is known
  • science says
  • experts say
  • causes
  • good/bad

Newspapers/blogs/articles are the worst at this, sensational clickbait headlines asserting things that cannot possibly be known.

If the publications said something like "Hey, this very weak, weirdly constructed association was seen in this observational dataset with a 1/20 chance of being nonsense noise" that would be fine, but that is NEVER how this weak information is presented....

The core problem with this approach is that people are taking as a fact that there exists a direct causal link from A to B in all circumstances because someone with authority said there was a link.

Science Publication Cyclehttps://phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1174

This paper is far more compelling and elegant then I could be, its worth a read for the entire teardown of observational fallacies and pitfalls. [Paper] What is the role of meat in a healthy diet? - 2018 [Opinion]

Under what circumstances would I personally look at a observational epidemiology study and consider it to modify my behavior?

  • Hazard Ratios greater then 4 (far greater honestly, but 4 is the floor)
  • Absolute Risk reported in the paper (not relative)
  • Clear signal across different studies

This is the absolute bare minimum to make me take a paper seriously, and then I will ask... why hasn't this hypothesis been turned into a interventional study? Basically - this means something that ONLY exists as epidemiology isn't compelling and not relevant to my life as a human.

Epidemiology is hypothesis generating, it cannot establish cause and effect links... this means it is NOT SCIENCE - by definition. Science requires a falsifiable and testable hypothesis, epidemiology does not satisfy this definition. It's the start of science, but in isolation it is not science, it does not use the scientific method.

But! It's the best data we have!

(some people say) That means the data we have isn't compelling, isn't scientifically tested or proven, and at best should be used as a basis for hypothesis to test in interventional studies... it should not actually change your life, be reported as fact, or used in internet arguments.

What about smoking? Smoking causes cancer and that was all observational epidemiology.

That epidemiology had hazard ratios of 6000 (far greater then 4), was consistent across different reputable studies, demonstrated in animal interventions... and most importantly there is no medical benefit to smoking... Giving up smoking is all upside, no real tradeoff. That being said.... we actually don't know that smoking causes cancer in all contexts - the health of the subject, their diet, their lifestyle, their genetics... there are smokers who die without lung cancer.

Statistical Literacy

Most people suck at math. Most people good at math suck at Statistical thinking, it simply isn't intuitive. Frankly its a disservice to people to report on weak associational studies in the media. Throwing statements out like 'Study shows with statistical significance that fizz will buzz (p=0.05)' and expecting the reader to understand how weak that statement is.... well, at best your setting up readers for failure, at worst its deceptive using an appeal to authority logical fallacy to sell a message.

statistical significancehttps://explainxkcd.com/882/

Animal Studies

These seem compelling, and they are a very important area of research, but it should be very clear that mice are not humans, pigs are not humans, etc. A good animal study is a good jumping off point for human interventional trials. A animal study by itself tells us about the animal and not the human. This is especially important when talking about diet, exercise, GI issues, brain, etc.

Not to mention that many animal studies will add poison, or mutated genes to force a bad outcome to happen... not a pristine animal in its natural context.

Intermediate end-points

As humans we care about hard endpoints, hard outcomes, death, injury, etc. Intermediate metrics as a stand-in for hard end points don't tell the full story, the human body is incredibly complex. The intermediate metrics can also be misunderstood (such as LDL being considered a negative endpoint, even though its not a disease and often misunderstood) biasing the actual findings.

Consider if exercise and the gym was being invented today, and studied. Going to the gym elevates heart rates, blood pressure, etc, intermediate metrics that would be considered bad, and if that is all we looked at exercise would never pass a modern ethics board.

Mechanistic / Opinion / Consensus Statements

Mechanistic is useful for researchers to establish theories and explanations that can be tested

Consensus Statement - A opinion shared by multiple people

Opinion - A expert renders an opinion based on research, ideally hard science summarized concisely, but a opinion is only as strong as the actual science it is based on... basically a opinion built upon epidemiology is only as valuable as the epidemiology (good for hypothesis', but not useful for humans).

Comparing interventions only against the standard american diet (SAD)

The standard western diet is so bad, any intervention in nutrition will show better outcomes, seriously. Showing that a all pasta diet reduces rates of t2d doesn't tell me that pasta is a superfood, just that the baseline diet is so tragic.

Relative weight of evidence

evidence pyramid

Meta-analysis of interventional randomized control trials are the gold standard in science, and that is the gold standard for me - I will pay attention and take seriously this data, and look closely at the analysis

A RCT by itself is also quite impactful, and worth reading

A interventional trial (non-randomized) has flaws, but can show real mechanisms in action, and worth reading as well.

A Meta-analysis of epidemiology is only as good as the epidemiology it is based on, so this isn't compelling to me.

Mendelian randomization (of epidemiology)... same as the above, its only as as good as the garbage put into it. Imagine trying to do a meta-analysis of LLM hallucinations to find causal relationships in the real world, but saying you can correct for the inputs with math.

What does this mean?

  • Demand absolute risk from research
  • Don't TRUST anybody's opinions, including paper summaries and conclusions
  • Look for established cause and effect statements
  • Examine metabolic context
  • Epidemiology should not be used for health decisions.

Why I don't find a list of 30 epidemiology studies compelling

I can provide opposing epidemiology, so it should cancel out right? The fact that one camp has produced a larger volume of analysis papers from the same observational datasets doesn't change the fact its epidemiology and cannot inform on cause and effect.

Why I don't find expert opinion compelling

I DEMAND to see the source studies the opinion is based on, and I will apply the same evaluation to that. If the expert opinion is based on a volume of cherry picked epidemiology then I don't think much of the expert opinion. This includes the WHO IARC.

You can prove I'm wrong?

Great! I welcome it. I know I'm wrong a lot, I admit this! Please send me the core scientific publication that shows me the contradiction, that isn't epidemiology, and ideally is a intervention in humans.

Why won't I engage with the next batch of papers you are sending?

There are some people who try to win discussions of science and reality with overwhelming paper references. You know the type, every message is 8 new references, they insult you in each message, and they even cast doubt you have read what your quoting.

These people will not engage with a discussion on a single paper, any good points you bring up don't further the conversation.. instead they pivot to yet a new batch of references. They don't see science as a finding of truth, but of a volume game. I half suspect these people only care about making it look like they won to observers who are not closely reading the discussion.

Needless to say they love epidemiology

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No, you’re not crazy, protein is suddenly everywhere these days. Protein-enriched products are popping up everywhere in grocery aisles and promoted like crazy online. This is a societal shift that is being promoted by the industrial food system to a degree we haven’t seen in a LONG time.

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Summary

The video explores the burgeoning protein trend that has swept across North America’s food culture, driven by a mix of fitness influencers, food companies, and societal shifts. Protein is now being added to a vast array of products—from cereals and snacks to desserts and even popcorn—with manufacturers capitalizing on the nutrient’s growing popularity. The trend is fueled by claims about protein’s health benefits, especially its role in muscle growth and weight loss, though many experts caution that the average person already consumes sufficient protein without needing to dramatically increase intake. This phenomenon is amplified by a feedback loop where nutrition trends gain traction, food companies respond by marketing protein-enriched products, and influencers promote these products, which further feeds consumer demand. Unlike previous nutrition “villains” such as fats, carbs, or gluten, protein has never been widely vilified, making it a uniquely powerful marketing tool. The protein craze also intersects with the rise of weight loss drugs like Ozempic, as protein-rich products are marketed as ideal for appetite control. The video highlights how the protein trend is particularly targeted toward men, playing into traditional ideas of masculinity and muscle-building. However, the trend often overshadows more critical dietary priorities like fiber intake and healthy eating habits. Ultimately, the video warns that this protein obsession represents a manufactured demand that benefits large corporations financially, while potentially misleading consumers about their real nutritional needs. The inflammatory marketing around protein-enriched foods exploits human psychology and emotional vulnerabilities related to body image and health, urging viewers to critically assess food trends rather than blindly follow them.

Highlights

  • 💪 Protein is now added to an extensive variety of foods, signaling a major cultural and industrial shift in diet trends.
  • 🔄 The protein trend results from a feedback loop between influencers, food companies, and consumer demand.
  • 🥩 Unlike fats, carbs, or gluten, protein has never been vilified, making it a uniquely “safe” nutrient to market aggressively.
  • ⚖️ Most people already consume enough protein; the hype promotes unnecessarily high intake levels mostly beneficial only to elite athletes.
  • 💰 Protein enrichment is a lucrative marketing tactic, allowing companies to raise prices with minimal product changes.
  • 👨 The trend is heavily gendered, appealing especially to men through associations with muscle growth and masculinity.
  • 🚨 The protein craze distracts from essential nutritional needs like fiber, potentially harming long-term health.

Key Insights

  • 🔍 Manufactured Demand and the Role of the Food Industry: The protein phenomenon is not merely a spontaneous health movement but a carefully cultivated market trend. Food producers have exploited the increased interest in protein by fortifying existing products with protein powders or isolates, allowing them to charge premium prices without significant product innovation. This strategy exemplifies how industrial food systems can shape consumer behavior by amplifying specific nutrients as “must-have” ingredients, regardless of actual dietary necessity.

  • 🧠 Psychology of Food Marketing and Consumer Behavior: The success of the protein trend highlights how deeply emotional and cognitive factors influence food purchases. Consumers’ desire for self-improvement, muscle gain, and weight loss makes them vulnerable to simple, catchy messaging—like “high protein equals health.” The video illustrates how the repetition of protein-focused content by influencers, combined with strategic product labeling, exploits this psychology, often bypassing rational decision-making.

  • ⚠️ Nutritional Misinformation and Overconsumption Risks: While protein is essential, the video emphasizes that the average person’s protein intake is already sufficient, and consuming excessive amounts is unnecessary for most. The promotion of extremely high protein intakes (150-200 grams per day) is misleading and potentially harmful if it displaces other vital nutrients or encourages overreliance on processed protein supplements. This misinformation can perpetuate imbalanced diets and distract from broader nutritional wisdom.

  • 🎯 Gendered Marketing and Cultural Associations: The protein trend is notably male-targeted, framed as a pathway to traditional masculinity through muscle development. This is a distinct evolution in diet marketing, where men, historically less targeted by food marketing than women, are now sold products designed to align with masculine ideals. This gendered approach reveals how societal norms and stereotypes are leveraged to drive sales and shape eating habits.

  • 🔄 Feedback Loop Between Influencers and Industry: The relationship between social media influencers and food companies creates a cyclical reinforcement of the protein trend. Influencers promote high-protein products, which companies produce and market aggressively, fueling consumer interest and encouraging further influencer involvement. This feedback loop accelerates the trend’s growth but also obscures the origin and validity of dietary claims, making it difficult for consumers to discern evidence-based guidance.

  • 💸 Economic Implications and “Health Halo” Effect: Protein labeling functions as a “health halo,” allowing companies to justify higher prices for products that may not offer significant nutritional benefits beyond added protein. This mirrors past trends like gluten-free or vegan products, where the label itself becomes a premium marketing tool. The widespread adoption of protein enrichment thus represents a significant economic opportunity for food corporations, often at the expense of consumer budgets and genuine health improvements.

  • 🥦 Nutritional Priorities and Overshadowed Essentials: The focus on protein overshadows other critical dietary factors, notably fiber intake and whole-food nutrition. While consumers chase protein-enriched foods, they may neglect fiber-rich vegetables, fruits, and whole grains, which are vital for long-term health. This misplaced emphasis risks reinforcing poor dietary patterns that prioritize isolated nutrients over balanced, wholesome eating.

Conclusion

The protein trend is a complex cultural and commercial phenomenon that reflects how modern food systems, marketing strategies, and social media influence shape eating behaviors. While protein remains an essential nutrient, the exaggerated focus on protein intake—fueled by influencers and food companies—creates an ecosystem where consumers are encouraged to buy increasingly processed and expensive protein products under the impression that they will dramatically improve health and physique. This trend also embodies broader themes around gendered marketing, the psychology of diet culture, and the industrialization of nutrition. Ultimately, the video calls for greater consumer awareness, critical thinking, and balanced nutritional approaches that resist oversimplified and profit-driven food fads.

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Or rather the left over rice after turning sushi buffet into sashimi buffet

Slice of life photo on doing carnivore out in the real world and not just at home

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Personal anecdote: I'm now one month into eating an animal-sources only diet. I eat mainly steaks that I sous vide, and about twice a week I'll eat oily fish, chicken, or pork.

I'd say that I'm currently about 95% adherent. I still drink lattes, and when I'm outside drinking with my friends I don't restrict what foods I eat, although I'll try to politely decline carbohydrates, vegetables, and sweet alcoholic drinks or beer. I really enjoy cooking and baking, and I do miss being able to cook most of what I used to, so that's a little bit of a downside. On the upside, my kitchen has been greatly simplified.

Based on a test I've done today, in mg/dl, my LDL is 212, Tg 98, and HDL 66. My doctor expressed concern about LDL but was happy to observe for a few more months, although he did float the idea of statins. I told him that with my 120/70 BP and ideal waist/height ratio that I'd prefer to wait and see, and he agreed. My tg/hdl ratio of 1.48 was not discussed, although it suggests to me that there isn't anything to worry about.

I found this discussion between Prof. Bart Kay and Dr. Sean Patterson about cholesterol levels helpful, so I'm linking it here:

Summary

  • The speaker discusses their high cholesterol levels and the medical community's approach to diagnosing and treating elevated cholesterol.
  • Cholesterol is a crucial molecule for the human body, serving multiple purposes, and its levels are often pathologized by the pharmaceutical industry.
  • HDL and LDL are not different types of cholesterol but rather lipoproteins that transport cholesterol and other lipids in the bloodstream.
  • The body's lipoprotein levels are regulated by genes that have evolved over billions of years to ensure long-term survival.
  • Doctors often pathologize elevated cholesterol levels based on arbitrary thresholds set by the medical and pharmaceutical industries.
  • The speaker questions whether their high cholesterol levels are a cause for concern or if they are simply a marker of underlying health issues.
  • Chronic inflammation, glycation, and oxidation are the root causes of heart disease, not elevated cholesterol levels.
  • Atherosclerosis is an immune dysfunction caused by chronic systemic inflammation and damage to the vascular epithelial cells.
  • Blood pressure and turbulence in the blood flow due to vessel bifurcations contribute to the development of atherosclerotic lesions.
  • The speaker emphasizes the importance of addressing the root causes of heart disease rather than focusing solely on cholesterol levels.

Another video that's been helpful is the one by Dr. Mason, about blood test results on a ketogenic diet. :

Summary

  • Dr. Paul Mason discusses the interpretation of cholesterol blood tests and the significance of different types of lipoproteins.
  • Cholesterol tests measure lipoproteins, which carry fats around the body, and not just cholesterol itself.
  • There are five major classes of lipoproteins, with VLDL, IDL, LDL, and HDL being the most relevant for health.
  • LDL (low-density lipoprotein) can be healthy or damaged; damaged LDL is linked to heart disease.
  • Damaged LDL is caused by exposure to sugar (glucose), leading to glycation and oxidation, making it small and dense.
  • Standard cholesterol tests often estimate LDL levels, which can be inaccurate; more precise methods involve centrifuging blood samples.
  • High LDL particle count is a better predictor of heart disease than total LDL volume.
  • Damaged LDL can accumulate in blood vessels, leading to atherosclerosis and heart disease.
  • Triglyceride and HDL levels can help determine if someone has a healthy (Pattern A) or unhealthy (Pattern B) LDL profile.
  • The triglyceride-to-HDL ratio is a useful metric for assessing cardiovascular risk.
  • The Feldman protocol suggests that a high-fat diet for three days can significantly lower LDL levels by increasing LDL receptor activity.

Edit: apologies for the placeholder URL, I'd originally intended to only post one youtube video but then decided to do a write-up instead and I don't know how to remove it.

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Thomas Matcham has a first class master's degree in mathematics from Imperial College London. He has worked as a data scientist in various capacities for 14 years, and has founded two businesses focused on the applications of machine learning. He currently works as a contractor in London. In this video, Tom gives a presentation on causal inference in statistics, and where inferential statistics falls short in establishing conviction in the world.

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This video features a detailed presentation and discussion on causality in statistics, specifically focusing on the challenges and methodologies of establishing causal relationships within the field of inferential statistics. The guest speaker, Thomas Matcham, a UK-based data scientist with 14 years of experience and a strong mathematical background, provides a deep dive into causal inference, a subfield of statistics concerned with translating associative data into causal understanding. The conversation highlights the fundamental limitations of traditional inferential statistics, which primarily deal with associations rather than causation, and introduces the tools and frameworks—such as randomized controlled trials, causal graphs, and Judea Pearl’s do-calculus—that enable researchers to make more rigorous causal claims.

Thomas emphasizes that inferential statistics, historically and by design, avoids making definitive causal statements. Causality can only be approached with additional structure, such as experimental design or causal inference techniques. The discussion includes examples illustrating the pitfalls of assuming causality from correlation and the importance of understanding alternative causal pathways, confounding variables, and colliders. They explore practical scenarios like cholesterol reduction’s effect on heart disease and agricultural fertilizer’s impact on crop yield, demonstrating how causal inference can help clarify these relationships.

Key concepts such as the limitations of R-squared values in implying causality, the role of d-separation in causal graphs, and the importance of falsification in scientific reasoning are explained. The talk also touches on the cultural and scientific challenges faced by researchers, including the tendency to seek confirmation rather than falsification of hypotheses and the influence of biases and incentives in scientific research. Finally, Thomas encourages a more rigorous and humble approach to interpreting scientific data, advocating for causal inference as a powerful tool to clarify true causal mechanisms and avoid misleading conclusions.

Highlights

  • 🔍 Inferential statistics primarily measures association, not causation.
  • ⚠️ Correlation (e.g., high R-squared) does not imply causality.
  • 🧩 Causal inference uses additional structure (experiments, causal graphs) to rigorously analyze causality.
  • 📊 Randomized controlled trials are a classical but imperfect method to study causal effects.
  • 🔄 D-separation in causal graphs helps identify independent and dependent variables and block confounding pathways.
  • 🧪 Falsification remains central: causal models can only be supported by failing to falsify predictions.
  • 🔄 Scientific culture often favors proving hypotheses rather than disproving them, risking bias in causal claims.

Key Insights

  • 🔗 Association vs. Causation: Inferential statistics traditionally focuses on associations—relationships where variables move together—but these do not necessarily indicate that one causes the other. This fundamental limitation means that statistical significance or correlation coefficients, including R-squared values, cannot alone justify causal claims. Thomas clarifies that even perfect correlations can arise without causality, and causal relationships can exist with noisy, imperfect correlations.

  • 🧪 Randomized Controlled Trials (RCTs) as a Gold Standard with Limits: RCTs randomize the assignment of treatments to control for confounding variables, theoretically isolating the causal effect of an intervention. However, Thomas points out that even well-designed RCTs may fail to rule out all confounders or hidden causal pathways. For instance, dietary interventions may affect heart disease via unexpected mechanisms such as weight loss or blood pressure changes, rather than directly through cholesterol reduction.

  • 🌐 Causal Graphs and d-Separation: Causal inference uses directed graphs to visually and mathematically represent cause-effect relationships among variables. A key concept is d-separation, a method for identifying which variables influence others and which paths can be “blocked” to isolate causal effects. This framework enables researchers to translate intuitive causal hypotheses into testable probabilistic statements, bridging the gap between qualitative causal ideas and quantitative data analysis.

  • 🔄 Falsification as Scientific Principle: In causal inference, researchers begin with a causal model, derive predictions about probabilistic dependencies and independencies, and then test these against observed data. Failure to observe predicted dependencies falsifies the model, aligning with Karl Popper’s philosophy of science. This iterative process refines causal understanding and helps avoid confirmation bias.

  • 🧩 Complexity of Real-World Causality: The presentation’s worked example on fertilizer and crop yield illustrates the complexity of causal reasoning. Variables such as past crop yield, soil properties, and farming practices create intricate causal relationships. Without controlling for all confounding factors and understanding the causal graph, simple associations can be misleading. Only when the researcher controls the intervention (e.g., randomly assigning fertilizer) can a causal claim be more confidently made.

  • ⚠️ Misuse of Statistical Measures in Scientific Debates: The discussion highlights the common misuse of statistics in fields like nutrition and medicine, where studies often overstate causal conclusions based on associative data. Thomas and Eddie note the problem of scientists attempting to confirm rather than falsify hypotheses, sometimes influenced by funding, ideology, or publication pressures. This results in a proliferation of conflicting or inconclusive studies that confuse public understanding.

  • 📚 Emerging Importance of Causal Inference: Judea Pearl’s do-calculus and the formal causal inference toolbox have revolutionized how statisticians and scientists conceptualize and analyze causality. Though initially controversial, these methods are becoming increasingly accepted and provide a rigorous language to discuss and test causal hypotheses. They offer hope for improving scientific rigor in many fields, including epidemiology, economics, and social sciences.

Additional Context and Reflection

This video serves as both an educational primer and a critical reflection on the scientific method in statistics. It stresses that understanding causality requires more than observing data patterns; it requires carefully designed experiments, well-constructed causal models, and an openness to falsification rather than confirmation. The conversation also acknowledges the difficulty of translating intuitive causal ideas into formal mathematical terms, an ongoing challenge for researchers and communicators alike.

The discussion’s relevance extends beyond statistics to broader scientific literacy. In an age of data abundance and rapid dissemination of research, the ability to critically evaluate causal claims is essential for scientists, policymakers, and the public. This video encourages viewers to question simplistic interpretations of scientific data and appreciate the nuanced, rigorous work involved in uncovering causal truths.

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Dr Chaffee talks about the difference between casual carnivore and strict carnivore in terms of performance, feelings, body composition

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Dr. Anthony Chaffey, a neurosurgical resident and former professional rugby player, shares his strict carnivore diet approach and insights into nutrition, athletic performance, and longevity. He emphasizes eating only animal-based foods—primarily beef—and excludes plants, sugar, artificial ingredients, and plant-derived seasonings or drinks such as coffee. Dr. Chaffey typically consumes two large meals a day, mainly ribeye steaks, adjusting portions based on hunger and exercise intensity. He listens to his body’s taste signals to determine satiety and nutrient needs, often avoiding organ meats which he believes are not essential daily. His diet is grounded in evolutionary biology, citing examples like the Inuit and ancient Ethiopians who thrived on meat-based diets, and he questions conventional nutritional guidelines and supplements, arguing that meat alone provides all necessary nutrients for optimal health.

He rejects the need for supplements, seasonings (except salt), and standard carbohydrate-based foods, explaining how carbohydrates cause insulin spikes, water retention, and misleading muscle “pump” that masks true lean muscle gains. Dr. Chaffey advocates for fat-adaptation, where the body efficiently produces energy from fat and protein, eliminating the need for stimulants like coffee or pre-workouts. He also highlights the importance of lifting heavy weights to muscle fatigue and eating enough to support muscle growth, without calorie counting or forced feeding. His approach fosters a state of feeling “supercharged” with better recovery, no soreness, and an overall transformation in how the body functions. He stresses the importance of purity in diet—removing all non-meat elements—to achieve the best results in health and physical performance.

Highlights

  • 🥩 Dr. Anthony Chaffey eats a nearly 100% carnivore diet, focusing mainly on large portions of ribeye steak.
  • 🔥 He avoids all plants, sugar, artificial ingredients, and even common seasonings and drinks like coffee.
  • ⚖️ Dr. Chaffey believes humans are genetically wired to live around 120 years, citing ancestral populations thriving on meat-only diets.
  • 💪 Muscle gain and athletic performance improve through lifting heavy to failure and eating according to body signals, not calorie counting.
  • 🧬 He challenges standard nutrition science, attributing many health problems to carbohydrates and sugar, not fat or cholesterol.
  • 🥚 Occasionally consumes raw meat and eggs safely, trusting modern food safety standards.
  • 🚫 He experienced increased soreness and impaired recovery after consuming coffee, reinforcing his avoidance of stimulants.

Key Insights

  • 🥩 Purity of Diet is Paramount: Dr. Chaffey stresses that the last 5% of diet purity—avoiding even minor plant-derived ingredients or artificial additives—accounts for 95% of health improvements. This suggests that marginal dietary impurities can significantly impair metabolic function and recovery, highlighting the importance of strict discipline in carnivore dieting for optimal results.

  • 🔬 Evolutionary and Anthropological Evidence Supports Carnivory: He references Inuit populations and historical accounts from Ethiopia to argue that humans evolved on predominantly meat-based diets and that such diets can support longevity up to the genetic potential of 120 years. This challenges the conventional reliance on mixed diets and emphasizes ancestral dietary wisdom over modern nutritional guidelines.

  • Fat-Adapted Metabolism Provides Superior Energy: Instead of relying on carbohydrates or stimulants like coffee, Dr. Chaffey’s metabolism produces energy efficiently from fat and protein. This enables sustained energy, quicker recovery, and reduced muscle soreness. It illustrates the body’s ability to adapt to a ketotic or carnivore metabolism that can outperform carb-dependent energy systems in athletic contexts.

  • 💪 Muscle Growth Depends on Stimulus and Adequate Nutrition, Not Carbs or Calorie Counting: Dr. Chaffey highlights that real muscle gains come from heavy lifting to near failure combined with eating enough meat to satiety. Unlike bodybuilding bulking phases that rely on carbs for glycogen and water retention, carnivore diet muscle growth is lean and sustainable without the “fake” pump from glycogen and water. This offers a paradigm shift in understanding muscle hypertrophy beyond carb-driven models.

  • 🍖 Organ Meats Are Optional, Not Essential: Despite their nutrient density, Dr. Chaffey rarely eats organ meats and believes they are not necessary daily. He reasons that consuming excessive liver, for example, can lead to nutrient overdoses (e.g., vitamin A). This challenges common carnivore dogma that organ meats are indispensable and makes the diet more accessible to those who dislike them.

  • 🥚 Raw Meat and Eggs Can Be Safe and Nutritious: Dr. Chaffey eats raw or lightly cooked meat and eggs, trusting rigorous modern food safety protocols. He dispels myths about raw meat risks, noting produce causes more food poisoning. This insight invites reconsideration of traditional cooking norms and suggests raw animal foods can be safely incorporated in carnivore diets.

  • 🚫 Carbohydrates and Stimulants Impair Recovery and Increase Inflammation: After consuming coffee, Dr. Chaffey experienced increased muscle soreness and stiffness, whereas on a carnivore diet without coffee, he recovered rapidly even after intense workouts. He also explains how carbohydrates cause insulin spikes leading to water retention, fat storage, and a misleading bulky muscle appearance. This points to hidden metabolic harms of carbs and stimulants, advocating for their elimination to optimize recovery and physique.

  • 🧂 Simplicity and Listening to the Body Trump Calorie Counting and Complex Nutrition: Dr. Chaffey never counts calories or worries about micronutrient supplements, trusting that eating whole animal foods until satiety and pushing physical limits naturally regulates intake and meets nutritional needs. This approach contrasts sharply with modern diet culture and emphasizes intuitive eating and evolutionary alignment.

  • 🌱 Avoidance of Plants Due to Toxicity and Anti-Nutrients: The bitterness or aversion to certain plant foods is interpreted as the body’s warning against toxic compounds. This reinforces the carnivore tenet that plants contain harmful substances that disrupt optimal physiology, supporting a meat-exclusive diet.

  • 🥩 Grass-Fed and Older Animals Provide Superior Nutrition and Taste: Dr. Chaffey prefers grass-fed beef, especially from older animals, for better flavor, nutrient density, and fat quality (yellow fat indicating carotenoid content). While grain-fed beef is acceptable, grass-fed is likened to Olympic gold standard versus silver, highlighting quality differences without dismissing practicality or affordability.

  • 🛑 Skepticism Toward Conventional Nutrition Science and Supplements: Dr. Chaffey critiques historical nutritional guidelines and studies, citing biased research funded by sugar companies that wrongly vilified cholesterol and fat. He also questions the need for supplements if eating a pure carnivore diet, underscoring the importance of empirical, individualized evidence over generalized recommendations.

Conclusion

Dr. Anthony Chaffey’s approach to a strict carnivore diet combined with heavy, frequent training offers a compelling model for longevity, health, and athletic performance. His emphasis on purity, evolutionary biology, intuitive eating, and fat-adaptation challenges mainstream nutrition paradigms and resonates with those seeking alternatives to carbohydrate-heavy diets. His insights into muscle growth without carb reliance, safe consumption of raw animal foods, and the elimination of stimulants like coffee provide a holistic framework for optimizing human physiology through animal-based nutrition.

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The video explores the social dynamics and challenges faced by individuals who adopt the carnivore diet and enthusiastically share their experiences with others. The speaker highlights a common reaction: when people announce their success with the carnivore lifestyle—such as weight loss and improved health—friends, family, and colleagues often respond with resistance, skepticism, or even hostility. This resistance is largely driven by a perceived pressure that listeners feel, even when no explicit pressure is intended. The speaker uses a relatable analogy involving social interactions at a bar to illustrate how overt pressure typically causes people to push back, while subtlety and confidence invite curiosity and openness. The key takeaway is that the most effective way to influence others is not through arguments, debates, or preaching but by living the lifestyle confidently and leading by example. Silent proof through transformation tends to generate genuine interest and questions over time, making people more willing to explore the carnivore diet on their own terms. The speaker encourages viewers to share their experiences and reflections on this dynamic, reinforcing community engagement and mutual learning.

Highlights

  • 🔥 People often feel pressured and resist when others talk too much about their carnivore diet success.
  • 🤝 Perceived pressure, not actual pressure, triggers resistance in social conversations.
  • 💡 Leading by example is more effective than debating or preaching about diet choices.
  • 🧩 Confidence and subtlety invite curiosity and openness rather than pushback.
  • 🚫 Too much explanation can unintentionally shut down interest.
  • 🌱 Transformation and living proof naturally attract questions and interest over time.
  • 💬 The speaker invites viewers to share their own experiences and thoughts on this social dynamic.

Key Insights

  • 🔍 Perceived Pressure vs. Real Pressure: The video underscores the psychological concept that people’s resistance is often triggered not by actual pressure but by the perception of being pressured. This distinction is crucial because it means that even well-intentioned sharing can backfire if it is interpreted as pushy or preachy. Understanding this can help carnivore diet advocates communicate more effectively by focusing on non-verbal cues and tone.

  • 🎭 Social Resistance as a Defense Mechanism: Resistance to new ideas—such as adopting a carnivore diet—can be viewed as a natural defense mechanism. People often reject what challenges their existing beliefs or habits, especially if they feel rushed or coerced. This insight suggests that patience and empathy are key when discussing lifestyle changes with others.

  • 💬 Analogy of Social Interaction: The bar scenario provides a powerful metaphor for interpersonal communication. Just as a person seeking a date must avoid coming across as desperate or aggressive, carnivore proponents must avoid overwhelming others with information or intensity. Instead, a relaxed, confident presence invites genuine curiosity and engagement.

  • 🧘‍♂️ Power of Leading by Example: The speaker stresses that embodying the benefits of the carnivore diet through visible, positive changes in health and lifestyle is a more persuasive form of influence than verbal persuasion. This aligns with the psychological principle that actions often speak louder than words, especially in health and wellness contexts.

  • 🕰 Timing and Patience in Influence: The video implies that influence is a gradual process. Immediate conversions or acceptance are rare, but consistent living proof can slowly erode skepticism and inspire questions. This insight encourages advocates to adopt a long-term mindset rather than seeking quick validation.

  • 🛑 Risk of Over-Explaining: When asked about their transformation, some carnivore dieters may feel compelled to provide detailed explanations, but this can sometimes have the opposite effect, causing listeners to disengage. This highlights the importance of concise, confident responses and allowing curiosity to develop naturally.

  • 🌐 Community Engagement and Shared Experiences: By inviting comments and shared opinions, the speaker fosters a sense of community among carnivore diet followers and seekers. This creates a supportive environment where individuals can exchange ideas on navigating social challenges, reinforcing the idea that social dynamics around diet are complex but manageable with collective wisdom.

Overall, the video offers a nuanced understanding of why people react negatively to enthusiastic carnivore diet advocates and provides practical strategies to foster curiosity and openness without triggering resistance. It champions the power of quiet confidence, patience, and example-setting as the most effective tools for inspiring change in others.

Tldw: lead by example, don't info dump as that can create implied expectations.

Implied social pressure can be a real blocker for change

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https://youtu.be/IlhL-WQ_X2Y

Belinda Fettke is a former Registered Nurse, photographer and the proud Co-Founder of 'Nutrition For Life' in Launceston which provides medically based nutritional care around Tasmania and Australia.

Belinda is also a staunch supporter of the health benefits of Low Carb, Healthy Fat eating and in recent years has taken a more central role in advocating LCHF following the investigation of her husband, Dr. Gary Fettke, by the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (AHPRA). The investigation focused on Gary’s qualifications to give nutritional advice.

This investigation (which lasted for more than two years) resulted in Gary being issued a ‘caution’ and being advised; ”In particular, that he does not provide specific advice or recommendations on the subject of nutrition and how it relates to the management of diabetes or the treatment and/or prevention of cancer.”

Belinda has now taken over the management of Gary's 'No Fructose' website and social media and she has also created the website isupportgary.com

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Summary

The video transcript presents a detailed critique of the current dietary guidelines, arguing that they are heavily influenced by longstanding religious, ideological, and economic interests rather than purely scientific evidence. The speaker supports Gary, a health professional who was banned from practicing for advocating low-carbohydrate, high-fat (LCHF) diets, and highlights how the dietary guidelines have morphed into rigid, plant-based vegetarian rule books that aggressively exclude alternative nutritional perspectives. The speaker traces the origins of these guidelines to the 19th-century temperance and religious movements, particularly the Seventh-day Adventist Church, which promoted vegetarianism based on visions and moral reform agendas rather than health science. Influential figures and organizations connected to these movements helped shape dietetics education and public health policy, embedding a pro-vegetarian bias that persists today. The transcript also exposes conflicts of interest, including the involvement of experts promoting vegetarianism who are linked to the processed food industry and religiously affiliated companies like Sanitarium. The speaker argues that the guidelines serve vested interests, particularly the cereal and processed food industries, which promote plant-based diets emphasizing grains, soy, and fake meat products while demonizing saturated fats and red meat. Despite the entrenched orthodoxy, there is growing resistance from health professionals advocating for LCHF and fasting approaches. The video closes with a lighthearted musical parody underscoring the rigidity and contradictions of the current dietary dogma.

Highlights

  • 🔥 Gary was banned for promoting low-carb, high-fat diets despite scientific evidence supporting their benefits.
  • 📜 Dietary guidelines have evolved into restrictive, plant-based vegetarian “rule books” rather than flexible advice.
  • ✝️ Origins of vegetarian dietary guidelines are deeply tied to 19th-century temperance and religious movements, especially the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
  • 🥦 Influential nutrition education and dietetics are shaped by proponents of vegetarianism with undeclared conflicts of interest linked to the processed food industry.
  • 🌾 The cereal and grain industry, including companies like Kellogg’s and Sanitarium, have benefited from and helped shape the plant-based nutrition narrative.
  • 🥩 Meat and saturated fats have been demonized historically due to ideology, not science, impacting current food policy and public health messaging.
  • 🎤 The video ends with a satirical song highlighting the contradictions and rigidity of modern dietary guidelines.

Key Insights

  • 🔍 Systemic Bias in Dietary Guidelines: The so-called “dietary guidelines” are not neutral scientific recommendations but rather ideologically driven rulebooks entrenched in a plant-based vegetarian agenda. This bias restricts open scientific debate, as evidenced by the censorship of proponents of LCHF diets like Gary. This reveals a lack of scientific pluralism in mainstream nutrition policy, which stifles innovation and individualized health approaches.

  • 🏛️ Religious and Moral Roots of Nutrition Science: The modern plant-based dietary guidelines stem from 19th-century temperance and religious movements, particularly the Seventh-day Adventist Church. These groups promoted vegetarianism as a moral and spiritual reform rather than solely for health reasons. Their influence persists through dietetics education, research funding, and institutional power, shaping public health policy for over a century.

  • 💼 Conflicts of Interest in Nutrition Education: Key figures influencing nutrition policy and education have undeclared ties to religious organizations and the processed food industry. For example, Professor Mark Wahlqvist, an expert witness in Gary's case, promotes vegetarianism and is connected to Sanitarium, a Seventh-day Adventist-owned company. This raises concerns about transparency and the impartiality of nutrition education and guidelines.

  • 🍞 Processed Food Industry’s Role: The cereal and grain industries, historically linked to religious health reformers, have thrived under the plant-based dietary regime. Companies like Kellogg’s and Sanitarium have been pivotal in embedding grains and processed plant foods into dietary guidelines, promoting soy and fake meats while marginalizing red meat and saturated fats. This commercial interest has likely influenced public dietary advice.

  • 🥩 Demonization of Meat and Saturated Fat: The decline of meat and full-fat dairy in dietary recommendations is less about emerging science and more about ideological and religious beliefs. The vilification of saturated fats and red meat began with the temperance movement and was reinforced by vested interest groups. This has led to public confusion and possibly worsened health outcomes, given the evidence supporting the benefits of healthy fats and animal proteins.

  • 🌏 Global Influence and Legacy: The Seventh-day Adventist Church’s health reform ideology has influenced not only American but also Australian and global dietary guidelines and food industries. Through institutions like Avondale College, Sydney Adventist Hospital, and the Australasian Research Institute, the church continues to shape nutrition research and lifestyle medicine, blending religious beliefs with health policy.

  • 🎭 Resistance and Alternative Narratives: Despite dominant plant-based dogma, there is growing resistance in the healthcare community advocating for low-carb, high-fat diets and fasting as effective health strategies. Gary’s ongoing enthusiasm and the speaker’s critique demonstrate that challenging entrenched dietary orthodoxy requires courage and persistence, highlighting the need for a more evidence-based and pluralistic approach to nutrition science.

Conclusion

The video transcript uncovers the complex, ideological, and commercial forces shaping modern dietary guidelines. Far from being purely evidence-based, these guidelines reflect a legacy of religious temperance movements, vested interests in the processed food industry, and institutionalized vegetarian ideology. The suppression of alternative nutritional viewpoints like LCHF diets illustrates how nutrition science has been constrained by dogma. Understanding this history and its continuing impact is crucial for rethinking dietary recommendations and promoting truly evidence-based, individualized nutrition for better public health outcomes.

The video is great, but the real gem is the follow-up blog post - 'Time to separate Church and Plate' Where she goes into great detail about the religious and temperance motivations embedded in the dietary governing bodies. Most people don't read, heck most people don't even watch long form videos... but this post is a banger, especially the section 'Evolution of the Plant-based dietary guidelines'

It made my blood boil. READ IT - https://isupportgary.com/articles/the-plant-based-diet-is-vegan

My personal bias is adults can eat whatever they want, but when some people see it as their mission to manipulate evidence to coerce others... that is where evil lies. Faith should not justify lies and paternalistically motivated propaganda, and if it is then the fanatics are bad actors and should be ignored if not condemned.

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Max walks through mechanistic signs humans evolved to eat meat.

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The video presents a compelling argument that humans are biologically carnivores rather than omnivores or herbivores. It emphasizes six key aspects of human biology that align more closely with carnivorous species, challenging the common belief that humans are naturally omnivores or should consume a primarily plant-based diet. First, humans possess highly acidic stomach acid (pH ~1.5), similar to carnivores, which is necessary to safely digest meat and control bacterial growth. Second, humans lack the specialized digestive adaptations to neutralize plant toxins, unlike herbivores and some omnivores that have evolved enzymes or gut microbes to break down these harmful compounds. Third, the human digestive enzymes and absorption mechanisms are highly efficient at processing meat but poor at digesting plant fibers, which leads to undigested plant matter causing digestive discomfort and minimal energy gain. Fourth, the structure of the human digestive tract—with a long small intestine and relatively short large intestine—is typical of carnivores rather than herbivores or omnivores, limiting the ability to ferment and extract nutrients from fiber-rich plants. Fifth, humans require essential nutrients such as vitamin B12, creatine, and taurine that are either absent or poorly absorbed from plants but abundant in animal products, underscoring a dietary need for meat. Sixth, human anatomy, particularly the ability to throw projectiles with power and precision, reflects evolutionary adaptations for hunting rather than herbivory, relying on intelligence and tools rather than large teeth for killing prey. The video concludes by linking these biological traits with anthropological evidence, indicating that early humans thrived on meat-heavy diets and experienced health declines only after the introduction of plant foods, reinforcing the carnivorous nature of humans.

Highlights

  • 🦁 Humans have highly acidic stomachs (pH ~1.5), similar to carnivores like lions and wolves.
  • 🌿 Plants contain natural toxins that humans cannot effectively neutralize due to lack of necessary enzymes and gut adaptations.
  • 🍖 Human digestive enzymes and processes are highly efficient at breaking down meat but struggle with plant fibers.
  • 🔬 Human intestines resemble carnivores, featuring a long small intestine for meat digestion and a short large intestine with limited plant fermentation capacity.
  • 🥩 Humans require essential nutrients like vitamin B12 and taurine, which are only reliably obtained from animal sources.
  • 🎯 Human shoulder and arm anatomy evolved for powerful, accurate throwing, indicating hunting specialization.
  • 📜 Historical evidence shows humans historically ate primarily meat and were healthier before consuming significant plant foods.

Key Insights

  • 🔥 Stomach Acidity Reflects Dietary Role: The extremely low pH of human stomach acid is a critical evolutionary adaptation for consuming meat safely. Since meat harbors more bacteria than plants, carnivores have evolved strong stomach acid to prevent illness. The similarity between human stomach acidity and that of obligate carnivores like wolves strongly suggests humans are biologically adapted to a meat-based diet. This counters the popular view that humans are suited to omnivory or herbivory.
  • ☠️ Plant Toxins and Human Vulnerability: Unlike many herbivores and omnivores that have specialized digestive systems or enzymes to detoxify the vast array of natural plant defense chemicals (biowarfare compounds), humans lack these adaptations. This absence means plant toxins such as glucosinolates can damage human health by interfering with hormone production and nutrient absorption. This biological gap indicates humans are not naturally designed to rely heavily on plants for nutrition.
  • 🍽️ Digestive Enzyme Efficiency Favors Meat: Human digestive enzymes like pepsin, chymotrypsin, and trypsin are highly effective at protein breakdown, a hallmark of carnivorous digestion. Conversely, humans cannot break down cellulose, lectins, and other complex plant fibers due to lack of specific enzymes, resulting in poor nutrient extraction and frequent digestive discomfort such as gas and bloating. This inefficiency undermines the notion that plants are an optimal food source for humans.
  • 🧬 Intestinal Morphology Supports Carnivory: The proportion of small to large intestine length in humans closely mirrors that of carnivores such as lions, with a long small intestine optimized for nutrient absorption from meat and a relatively small large intestine that limits fermentation of plant fibers. In contrast, herbivores have much larger large intestines to process fibrous plants. This anatomical evidence shows humans are structurally unsuited to digesting large amounts of plant material.
  • 🥚 Nutrient Requirements Confirm Meat Dependence: Humans require nutrients like vitamin B12, creatine, carnitine, and taurine that are either absent or poorly bioavailable in plants and must be obtained from animal foods. While herbivores synthesize these nutrients through gut microbiota or convert plant precursors efficiently, humans have limited or no such capacity, making animal consumption essential for optimal health. This nutritional dependency is strong evidence of a carnivorous biology.
  • 🎯 Anatomical Adaptations for Hunting: Humans’ unique ability to throw projectiles with power and precision is an evolutionary trait linked to hunting strategies rather than plant gathering. Unlike carnivores with large fangs for killing prey, humans rely on tools and intelligence, reflected in shoulder and arm structure, to hunt. This behavioral and anatomical adaptation points to a meat-centric evolutionary past.
  • 🕰️ Historical and Anthropological Evidence: Fossil and archaeological records show early humans subsisted primarily on meat, maintaining robust health before widespread consumption of plants. The subsequent introduction of plant foods correlates with increased health issues, suggesting a mismatch between human biology and plant-based diets. This historical context reinforces the biological evidence that humans are naturally carnivorous.

The video challenges widely held dietary assumptions by providing a comprehensive biological framework showing that humans are fundamentally carnivores. The implications for health and nutrition are profound, calling into question modern dietary recommendations that emphasize plant-based eating without considering the evolutionary and physiological context of human digestion and nutrient needs.

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When Dariya Quenneville’s infant daughter was ready for solid food, she skipped the mushed up avocado and banana. On the menu instead? Raw egg yolk and puréed chicken liver.

The child, named Schizandra, then moved on to sardines, butter and ice pops made out of bone broth. She gnawed on leg of lamb.

“She would just teethe on that and soothe herself,” said Quenneville, 31.

Schizandra is what her mom calls a “carnivore baby.” Most of her diet is meat, along with other animal-sourced foods like eggs and butter. “She’s an easy baby,” said Quenneville of her daughter, now almost 2. “I believe that the food in the diet is a very, very big piece of that.”

Full Article - https://archive.is/mRunQ

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Knowing how to preserve meat with no refrigeration is an essential survival skill. For thousands of years, meat has been dried in the open air in aired parts of the world. In this video we'll take a look at how to make biltong, an air-dried meat which originated in South Africa's dry climate. The biltong recipe is simple: a vinegar wash and a liberal coating of salt, black pepper, and coriander. Let brine overnight then simply hang the meat out where it'll get good airflow. After a few days you've got a tasty, cured meat snack, kind of like steak on the go. Shelf stable foods are an important consideration for your pantry or for wilderness trips. The shelf life of Biltong depends on its moisture content and the conditions in which it's stored.

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The video explores traditional meat preservation through making bilong, a South African dried meat product distinct from typical jerky. The presenter emphasizes the importance of preserving meat in survival or wilderness scenarios, where food resources are unpredictable and often abundant only temporarily. Unlike jerky, which is sliced thinly across the grain, bilong is cut with the grain into thicker strips, resembling dried steak. The process involves marinating the meat briefly in a vinegar wash, seasoning it heavily with salt, coriander, and black pepper, and then air-drying it. The black pepper serves both as a flavor enhancer and as a deterrent to insects such as flies and yellow jackets, which can be particularly problematic during summer drying.

The video also addresses common safety concerns about drying raw meat, highlighting that while there is always some risk in consuming raw or minimally processed meat, proper handling, cleanliness during butchering, and exposure to oxygen-rich environments significantly reduce the risk of bacterial growth and dangerous pathogens like botulism. The presenter explains that bacteria need anaerobic (low-oxygen), warm, and moist conditions to thrive, which are prevented by the drying method used for bilong.

Insects, especially yellow jackets, pose a significant challenge as they can quickly consume dried meat left outdoors. To combat this, the presenter moves the drying process indoors to a screened porch and uses heavy pepper coatings to repel insects. The video also touches on potential diseases and parasites in wild game, noting that the risk of illness from properly handled wild meat is generally lower than from many commonly consumed commercial foods.

Finally, the presenter discusses optimal storage techniques for dried meat, noting that dry environments extend shelf life, while humidity shortens it. Bilong should be stored in breathable containers like open bowls or paper bags rather than sealed plastic, which can trap moisture and promote spoilage. For those without access to wild game, beef cuts such as eye of round from a butcher are recommended as suitable alternatives for making bilong.

Highlights

  • 🌿 Bilong is a traditional South African dried meat product, sliced thickly with the grain, unlike typical jerky.
  • 🥩 Proper meat preservation is crucial in wilderness survival to extend the usability of short-term food bounties.
  • 🌶️ The seasoning mix for bilong traditionally includes coriander, black pepper, salt, and a vinegar wash.
  • 🐝 Yellow jackets are a major threat to drying meat outdoors, often requiring indoor drying solutions and heavy pepper coatings for deterrence.
  • ⚠️ Consuming raw dried meat involves some risk, but proper handling and drying in oxygen-rich conditions minimize bacterial growth and pathogens.
  • 💨 Dry, cool environments drastically extend the shelf life of dried meat, while humidity shortens it.
  • 🍖 Bilong can be made at home using accessible cuts like beef eye of round, making it a versatile preservation method.

Key Insights

  • 🌿 Meat Preservation as a Survival Skill: In wilderness situations, food availability is inconsistent, often presenting in short bursts of abundance followed by lean periods. Learning how to preserve meat effectively, as demonstrated through making bilong, equips survivalists and outdoors enthusiasts with a reliable means to extend their food supply and reduce waste, which is critical for long-term sustenance.

  • 🥩 Slicing Technique Influences Texture and Safety: The distinction between jerky and bilong lies both in thickness and grain orientation. Bilong’s thicker slices cut with the grain produce a unique texture and drying profile that supports safe preservation. This method ensures exposed surfaces dry thoroughly, inhibiting anaerobic bacterial growth, including dangerous pathogens like Clostridium botulinum that cause botulism.

  • 🌶️ Role of Seasoning Beyond Flavor: The use of salt, coriander, black pepper, and vinegar is not only traditional but functional. Salt draws moisture out of the meat, aiding drying and bacterial inhibition. Black pepper acts as a natural insect deterrent, crucial for outdoor drying, especially against yellow jackets that can quickly ruin curing meat. The vinegar wash helps to further reduce surface bacteria and adds acidity, creating an unfavorable environment for microbial growth.

  • 🐝 Insect Management is Critical for Outdoor Drying: Yellow jackets and other insects can rapidly infest and consume drying meat, undermining preservation efforts. The presenter’s experience shows that despite heavy pepper coatings, these insects can find exposed spots to invade. This highlights the necessity of alternative drying environments, such as screened porches or controlled indoor spaces, especially in warmer months or humid climates.

  • ⚠️ Understanding and Managing Food Safety Risks: The video emphasizes that while raw or air-dried meats carry inherent risks, these can be minimized through proper hygiene during butchering, exposure to oxygen, and correct drying techniques. The analogy to leafy green consumption—with its well-known foodborne illness risks—helps contextualize and rationalize the acceptable level of risk involved in traditional meat drying practices.

  • 💨 Environmental Conditions Determine Shelf Life: The relative humidity and temperature of the storage environment heavily influence how long dried meat lasts. Low humidity and cool temperatures preserve the meat by preventing moisture accumulation, which can lead to spoilage or mold. Conversely, humid environments require faster consumption or alternative storage methods to avoid degradation.

  • 🍖 Accessibility and Adaptability of Bilong Preparation: While originating from South African traditions and often made from wild game, bilong can be adapted for use with commonly available meats like beef. This adaptability makes it a practical and accessible preservation technique for a wide range of people, not just wilderness experts or hunters. The ability to replicate this at home broadens its applicability for food preservation enthusiasts and those interested in traditional culinary methods.

Extended Analysis

The video’s approach to meat preservation through bilong highlights several critical survival and culinary principles. First, it stresses that survival cooking is not merely about immediate consumption but about strategic planning to manage resources sustainably. This mindset is vital in wilderness survival, where successful hunts or foraging events may produce large quantities of perishable food that cannot be consumed immediately.

The distinction between jerky and bilong showcases how variations in traditional preservation methods reflect adaptations to local environments, available resources, and cultural preferences. Bilong’s thicker slices and grain orientation mean it retains more chewiness and a steak-like quality, offering a different eating experience that can be more satisfying or nutritionally dense than thin jerky strips.

The video also provides a useful primer on microbiology relevant to food safety. It explains bacterial growth conditions and highlights the importance of oxygen exposure in preventing dangerous pathogens like botulism. This scientific insight provides reassurance to viewers concerned about the risks of eating dried, uncooked meat, while reinforcing the necessity of proper handling and drying techniques.

The challenges posed by insects such as yellow jackets underscore the complexities involved in outdoor food preservation. The presenter’s candid recounting of using a beekeeper’s suit to manage aggressive yellow jackets illustrates the real-world difficulties and adaptations required for successful drying in natural settings. This practical advice is invaluable for anyone attempting similar preservation methods in warm or insect-rich environments.

Finally, the discussion on storage and shelf life reminds viewers that preservation is an ongoing process that extends beyond initial drying. Environmental factors can make or break the longevity of preserved meat, and understanding this helps users plan storage and consumption accordingly. The advice to avoid sealed containers and allow the meat to “breathe” reflects traditional wisdom backed by modern food safety principles.

In summary, the video offers a comprehensive guide to making bilong, combining cultural tradition, practical technique, and food safety knowledge to empower viewers with a reliable method of meat preservation suitable for survival situations and culinary experimentation alike.

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Feeding your kids meat and eggs is healthy and nutritious at any age! This seems to upset people who don't know the facts and the truth.

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Dr. Ken Berry passionately defends and explains the carnivore diet for babies, toddlers, children, teenagers, and adults, addressing recent media coverage and controversies surrounding the topic. He references a balanced Wall Street Journal article, an NBC News feature, and a contentious Fox News interview where he presented the carnivore diet as a natural, nutrient-dense way to feed children, emphasizing meat and eggs as essential foods for optimal growth and brain development. Dr. Berry highlights that meat provides critical nutrients such as B12, iron, zinc, and vitamin C (which many critics wrongly claim is absent from meat). He critiques mainstream pediatric advice promoting variety that includes grains and processed foods, pointing out the prevalence of glyphosate contamination in cereals and the poor nutritional value of such foods.

During the Fox News segment, Dr. Berry strongly rebuts the opposing expert, Dr. Mark Seagull, who claimed that meat is addictive, inflammatory, and lacks essential vitamins like vitamin C. Dr. Berry argues that Dr. Seagull, an internal medicine doctor who does not treat children, lacks understanding of pediatric nutrition and human evolutionary dietary evidence. He offers to engage in a respectful debate to clarify misconceptions.

Dr. Berry also shares personal anecdotes about raising his children carnivore-style, noting their exceptional growth and health. He stresses that the carnivore diet is not a fad but the original human diet dating back thousands of years, backed by anthropological evidence. He further educates viewers about the dangers of ultraprocessed foods, the epidemic of childhood type 2 diabetes linked to carb-heavy diets, and the superior nutrient density of animal-based foods compared to plant-based or grain-based diets.

The video concludes with Dr. Berry answering audience questions about keto, carnivore, skin conditions, blood pressure, and practical feeding tips for children. He invites parents and caregivers skeptical of mainstream nutrition advice to join a supportive community advocating a proper human diet centered on meat and eggs.

Highlights

  • 🥩 Meat and eggs are essential, nutrient-dense foods for human babies and children.
  • 📉 Childhood type 2 diabetes and metabolic diseases are linked to carb-heavy, ultraprocessed diets, not meat consumption.
  • 🍊 Fresh meat contains vitamin C, countering the myth that only fruits and vegetables provide it.
  • ⚖️ The carnivore diet is an ancestral, historically proven way humans have fed babies for millennia.
  • 🥣 Most supermarket cereals contain glyphosate and are nutritionally poor “poverty foods.”
  • ❌ Dr. Berry challenges misinformation about meat being addictive or inflammatory, especially from non-pediatric experts.
  • 🧑‍🤝‍🧑 A supportive community exists for parents feeding their children meat-based diets, countering societal and marketing pressures.

Key Insights

  • 🧬 Nutritional Completeness of Meat for Children: Dr. Berry emphasizes that meat and eggs provide all essential amino acids, healthy fats, vitamins (notably B12 and A), minerals like iron and zinc, and even vitamin C—nutrients critical for rapid growth phases in babies and toddlers. The small stomach capacity of infants makes nutrient density crucial, which cereals and processed vegetable purees lack. This insight challenges the common assumption that plant-based or grain-heavy diets are suitable for early childhood nutrition.

  • 🧪 Scientific and Anthropological Evidence Supports Carnivore Feeding: Contrary to common pediatric recommendations, historical and anthropological data show that humans have traditionally fed babies meat and animal fats first. These practices were trial-and-error-tested over thousands of years, with animal fats believed to promote brain development. This positions the carnivore diet not as a new fad but as a return to evolutionary dietary norms.

  • 🚫 Critique of Processed Foods and Cereal Marketing: Dr. Berry exposes the cereal aisle as a source of glyphosate contamination and nutrient-poor “poverty foods” that require fortification to provide minimal vitamins and minerals. He highlights the role of aggressive marketing in misleading parents about what constitutes healthy baby food, contributing to chronic disease epidemics.

  • 🥊 Media Misrepresentation and Expert Disagreement: The video illustrates how media outlets present divergent views on carnivore diets for kids. While the Wall Street Journal and NBC provided relatively balanced coverage, Fox News featured a controversial rebuttal from Dr. Seagull, who inaccurately labeled meat as addictive and inflammatory. Dr. Berry points out the importance of credentials relevant to pediatric nutrition and calls for evidence-based discussions rather than repeating outdated or unsupported claims.

  • 🧠 The Role of Fiber and Vitamin C Misconceptions: A common pediatric concern is that meat-based diets lack vitamin C and fiber, essential for health. Dr. Berry corrects this by explaining that fresh meat contains vitamin C and that phytonutrients and fiber are not essential nutrients. Thousands of carnivore dieters thrive on zero fiber diets, which challenges the dogma that fiber is indispensable.

  • 🔄 Carnivore Diet as Part of a Dietary Spectrum: Dr. Berry clarifies that the carnivore diet is one end of the “proper human diet” spectrum, which ranges from low-carb to keto to carnivore. This flexibility allows for individualized nutrition strategies based on age, metabolic health, and activity levels, emphasizing that meat and eggs are foundational regardless of exact carb intake.

  • 👶 Positive Outcomes in Children on Carnivore Diets: Personal evidence includes Dr. Berry’s children being in the 99th percentile for height with healthy weights, no metabolic disease, and excellent development. Additionally, many parents report resolution of skin conditions like eczema and acne on carnivore diets, demonstrating the therapeutic potential of animal-based nutrition in pediatric health.

Additional Context

Dr. Berry’s discussion also touches on the broader societal and cultural challenges of adopting carnivore diets for children, including overcoming family skepticism and marketing pressures. He encourages parents to seek community support and reliable information to confidently feed their children nutrient-dense animal foods rather than processed carbs marketed as “healthy.”

This video provides a comprehensive defense of carnivore diets for the entire human lifespan, especially infancy and childhood, supported by clinical experience, evolutionary biology, and critical evaluation of current nutrition dogma and media narratives.

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A behind the scenes look at my literature process. Print interesting papers, stack them up, when I go to the sauna I grab a few, read and sweat all over them.

My sweating is much more manageable now that I've been doing this for awhile, if I hold the papers a little away from me I only get a few drops of sweat.

I drink 1.5l of water before going in, and 500ml when coming out.

It's a fun way to catch up on the literature, and get some quiet time, life kinda gets paused, everyone leaves you alone, it's very refreshing

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Autoimmune diseases present complex, chronic conditions that often resist conventional treatments, prompting growing interest in dietary interventions. Among these, the carnivore diet—comprising exclusively animal-derived foods while eliminating all plant-based inputs—has gained popularity as a potential strategy for mitigating autoimmune symptoms. Advocates suggest this approach may reduce exposure to dietary antigens such as lectins, oxalates, and FODMAPs, thereby decreasing gut permeability, systemic inflammation, and immune activation. Clinical anecdotes and case series report notable improvements in patients with rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and inflammatory bowel disease. However, scientific validation remains limited, and long-term health consequences are not well understood. While the diet's high nutrient bioavailability, low processing, and elimination of potentially pro-inflammatory compounds may benefit some individuals, critical concerns persist. These include the absence of dietary fiber, plant polyphenols, and prebiotics essential for maintaining gut microbial diversity and immunological tolerance. Moreover, excessive intake of saturated fats and restricted dietary variety may pose risks for metabolic dysregulation and micronutrient imbalances. Personalized adaptations—such as incorporating low-FODMAP vegetables or low-oxalate leafy greens—can potentially bridge therapeutic benefits with nutritional adequacy. Ethical and sustainability considerations further complicate adoption. A heavy reliance on industrial animal agriculture contradicts environmental goals, though local and regenerative food systems may offer a compromise. This review evaluates current evidence and argues for a cautious, individualized approach. Rather than promoting extreme dietary exclusion, a monitored, phased, and adaptive plan—guided by clinical biomarkers and patient response—offers a more balanced path forward in the nutritional management of autoimmune diseases.

This is a Review, which is a fancy way of saying expert opinion. It does a fairly good job of surveying the current positives of carnivore - while repeating only short term evidence, caution each and every time.

It's a good challenge piece, and outlines the arguments against carnivore as well. The authors have a tremendous bias (The Journal : Advances in Herbal Research)

Full Paper - https://doi.org/10.25163/ahi.8110187

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Struggling to lose weight or even gaining on keto or carnivore? Dr. Eric Westman reacts to Laura Spath’s insights and breaks down the top mistakes that can stall progress — from hidden carbs and overeating to stress, sleep, and emotional triggers.

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Why You're Gaining Weight On A Carnivore Diet! - Doctor Reacts

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In this video, Dr. Eric Westman discusses potential reasons for weight gain on a keto or carnivore diet, responding to insights from Laura Spath. He identifies key factors such as consistency in dietary adherence, the complexities of calorie management including overeating and undereating, and the importance of addressing emotional relationships with food. Dr. Westman emphasizes the need for patients to be both careful and informed about their choices, especially when using these diets for therapeutic purposes.

Key Points

Importance of Consistency

Consistency in sticking to dietary guidelines is vital for success on the keto or carnivore diet. Dr. Westman emphasizes that being too lenient—such as indulging in carbs or alcohol on weekends—can disrupt fat-burning processes, leading to weight gain. He advises strict adherence to gain the intended weight loss benefits.

Caloric Management: Overeating vs. Undereating

Overeating may stem from too much dairy or processed meats, resulting in high calorie intake. In contrast, undereating can lead to metabolic slowdown and weight regain due to the body adjusting its metabolism to lower food intake. Both extremes can hinder weight loss progress.

Impact of Emotional Eating

Dr. Westman stresses that a carnivore diet cannot resolve underlying emotional issues related to food. Even with improved nutrition, individuals must address emotional eating for long-term weight management and stability. Understanding one’s relationship with food is crucial for achieving desired health outcomes.

Factors Beyond Diet

In addition to dietary factors, sleep, stress, and overall lifestyle play significant roles in weight management. Dr. Westman suggests evaluating these aspects to find difficulties in weight loss, as high stress and lack of sleep can lead to weight gain despite dietary efforts.

Consult Clinical Experts for Diet Adjustments

Using keto or carnivore diets should ideally be supervised by medical professionals, especially for those on medication or seeking more aggressive weight loss approaches. It is crucial to consider personal medical history and get tailored advice to navigate these diets safely.

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Simply put, the major thing that I completely cut off from my diet was carbohydrates - rice, noodles, pasta, ice-cream, pastries, sugar and fruits.

Now, you will ask me, hey what about vegetables? Yes, I also eliminated vegetables save for some herbs and onions/garlic, simply in keeping with the spirit of carnivore.

Have I suffered any ill effects from eating primarily protein and fats? No, not at all. As a matter of fact I am functioning at a much higher level than I have ever had my whole life.

Sections

  1. Weight Loss and Body Recomposition
  2. Mental Clarity
  3. Depression and Anxiety Gone
  4. Boundless Energy and Increased Strength
  5. Better Sleep Quality
  6. Hair
  7. No More Food Cravings
  8. Good Mood
  9. No More Bloating
  10. Restoration of Female Function (Ahem!)

Full Post - https://phonghongbakes.blogspot.com/2022/08/confessions-of-malaysian-carnivore.html

A pretty good, and honest, food journey. They are a little out there on edge with their coffee fixation, but it's good to hear all voices.

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Dr. David Klurfeld—longtime USDA scientist and one of the few insiders to publicly challenge the WHO's classification of red meat as a carcinogen. We go deep into the flawed evidence behind the infamous 2015 IARC report, why nutritional epidemiology often fails to prove causality, and how a small group of researchers helped shape global policy with low-quality science. If you've ever felt confused about meat, saturated fat, or dietary guidelines, this conversation will help you think critically about what “counts” as evidence—and who gets to decide.

We cover:

  • Dr. Klurfeld’s personal journey and lessons from a career in public health
  • Why the 2015 IARC red meat classification was based on weak and inconsistent evidence
  • How observational studies and “allegiance bias” mislead nutrition science
  • The politics of dietary guidelines and the role of the USDA and WHO
  • What the media got wrong—and why red meat remains a nutrient-dense food

Whether you're a clinician, dietitian, or simply trying to make better nutrition decisions, this episode is a powerful reminder that bias, groupthink and weak data can distort science and mislead the public. We need to be discerning about the nutrition and health advice we follow.

Who is Dr. David Klurfeld?

Dr. David Klurfeld is a nutritional scientist and former National Program Leader for Human Nutrition at the USDA’s Agricultural Research Service. He also served as Professor and Chair of Nutrition and Food Science at Wayne State University and Associate Editor of The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. He has authored more than 200 scientific publications and was one of 22 experts invited to the 2015 IARC working group on red meat and cancer. He is a longtime advocate for scientific integrity in public health policy.

Timestamps

  • 00:00 – Dr. Gabrielle Lyon introduces Dr. David Klurfeld and the controversy around red meat and cancer.
  • 03:18 – Dr. Klurfeld explains his unconventional path into nutrition science and his early influences.
  • 06:07 – He describes how "allegiance bias" distorts nutrition research outcomes.
  • 09:08 – Klurfeld calls the IARC red meat classification “the most frustrating professional experience of my life.”
  • 12:15 – He explains why epidemiology and food questionnaires are unreliable for determining dietary risk.
  • 15:30 – Red meat is misleadingly grouped with engine exhaust and radiation in cancer risk categories.
  • 22:15 – Many IARC scientists had pre-existing biases and used the panel to reinforce prior publications.
  • 26:08 – Klurfeld critiques the misuse of correlation in nutrition
  • 32:06 – He debunks the commonly cited 17% increase in colorectal cancer risk from red meat.
  • 48:44 – Activist groups filed FOIA requests to access years of Klurfeld’s emails during public-private research.
  • 1:09:21 – He explains why nitrogen content alone is an inadequate way to assess protein quality.

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Summary

This comprehensive conversation with Dr. David Clerfeld, a seasoned nutrition scientist and former USDA program leader, critically examines the commonly accepted claims that red meat consumption causes cancer and challenges prevailing nutritional guidelines. Dr. Clerfeld draws from decades of research experience, including his involvement in the 2015 International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) working group that controversially classified red meat as a probable carcinogen. He explains the methodological weaknesses in the epidemiological studies used to support this classification, highlighting issues such as observational study limitations, selective study inclusion, and biases within the scientific committee. Clerfeld also critiques the broader nutritional science field for over-reliance on low-quality evidence and the politicization and divisiveness that cloud objective discourse.

The discussion covers the evolution and shortcomings of US dietary guidelines, including their lack of adaptation despite scientific advances and their questionable scientific foundations, especially regarding fat and saturated fat recommendations. Clerfeld emphasizes the complexity of nutrition science, the importance of bioavailable nutrients from animal sources, and the challenges in conducting long-term randomized controlled trials (RCTs) in nutrition. He highlights the need for better biomarkers, personalized nutrition approaches, and transparency in research. The interview further touches on the role of the intestinal microbiome, the inadequacy of current epidemiological methods to account for confounding factors, and the often misunderstood nutritional value of red meat beyond just protein content.

Dr. Clerfeld advocates for a more nuanced understanding of dietary risks, calling for scientific rigor, transparency, and humility in nutrition research and public health messaging. His insights reveal the often-overlooked complexities behind popular nutritional claims, urging consumers, scientists, and policymakers to critically evaluate the evidence and avoid sensationalism.

Highlights

  • 🥩 Red meat, especially unprocessed, has no clearly identifiable cancer risk based on current evidence.
  • 🔬 The 2015 IARC classification of red meat as probably carcinogenic was based on limited and low-quality epidemiological evidence.
  • 📉 Nutritional epidemiology is prone to bias and confounding, leading to unreliable causal claims.
  • 📜 US dietary guidelines have remained largely unchanged since 1980 despite evolving science.
  • ⚖️ The meat industry follows guidelines closely, but the public largely ignores them.
  • 🧬 The intestinal microbiome adds complexity to nutrition and personal diet responses.
  • 🧪 Long-term randomized controlled trials in nutrition are rare, costly, and difficult to execute effectively.

Key Insights

  • 🥩 Red Meat and Cancer Risk: Weak Evidence and Methodological Flaws
    Dr. Clerfeld exposes the shaky foundation of claims linking red meat to cancer. The IARC working group relied heavily on selective epidemiological studies, discarding the vast majority of existing research that did not show an association. Mechanistic studies often involved non-human models with artificial conditions (e.g., calcium-deficient rats fed blood sausage, not typical red meat). This highlights a pervasive issue in nutrition science: conclusions often rest on low-quality, observational data without causal proof, misleading public perception.

  • 🔍 Allegiance Bias and Scientific Groupthink in Nutrition Research
    The interview reveals how personal biases and pre-existing beliefs within scientific committees can shape outcomes. Many IARC experts were vegetarians or had published work supporting meat’s risks, which may have influenced the group’s decision. Dr. Clerfeld stresses that knowing an author’s name often predicts the study’s conclusion, illustrating the problem of intellectual echo chambers. This bias undermines objective science and fuels polarization in the field.

  • 📉 Limitations of Epidemiology in Nutrition Science
    Epidemiology, which observes dietary patterns and health outcomes, cannot establish cause and effect due to variability in data collection methods, recall bias, confounders, and the complexity of human diets. For example, questionnaires differ on frequency versus quantity of meat consumed, making data combining problematic. Confounders like lifestyle, exercise, smoking, and other health behaviors further obscure associations. This complexity demands humility in interpreting findings and cautions against sensational headlines.

  • 📜 Stagnation and Weak Evidence in US Dietary Guidelines
    Despite advances in nutrition science, US dietary guidelines still promote recommendations from decades ago, such as limiting saturated fat to 10% of calories—a figure initially set arbitrarily with little scientific basis. The guidelines were originally designed for a one-size-fits-all diet, ignoring cultural, economic, and personal preferences. The public largely ignores these guidelines, and the food industry adapts to them more than consumers. Dr. Clerfeld calls for a re-evaluation of the evidence grading system in guidelines and for more personalized nutrition approaches.

  • 🧬 Complexity of Nutrition: Beyond Protein and Calories
    Dr. Clerfeld introduces the concept of the “beef matrix,” emphasizing that red meat provides more than protein; it delivers bioavailable micronutrients like iron, zinc, selenium, and vitamins that differ significantly in absorption compared to plant sources. Animal proteins also contain unique bioactive compounds (creatine, carnosine) that may benefit cognition and muscle health. Recognizing these complexities is crucial for making informed dietary choices, especially for vulnerable populations like pregnant women and older adults.

  • 🧪 Challenges in Conducting Long-Term Nutrition RCTs
    Nutrition research struggles with designing and implementing long-term randomized controlled trials, which are the gold standard for causal inference. Such trials are costly, take decades, and face adherence issues. Short-term feeding studies often lack real-world relevance. This limitation means much dietary guidance relies on observational data and surrogate markers, which are prone to error and interpretation challenges.

  • 🌱 The Role of the Microbiome and Personalized Nutrition
    The intestinal microbiome is an emerging factor in nutrition science, influencing how individuals metabolize foods and respond to diets. Current methods focus on fecal samples, which only capture part of the gut environment. The diversity and complexity of gut bacteria mean dietary effects vary widely between people. This supports the move toward personalized nutrition, recognizing that no single diet fits all, and that nutritional needs depend on genetics, lifestyle, microbiome, and health status.

  • 🔄 Need for Transparency, Rigor, and Modesty in Nutrition Science Communication
    Dr. Clerfeld laments the oversimplification of nutrition research in media and public discourse, where single studies or sensational headlines shape public opinion. He advocates for transparent, reproducible research and clear communication that acknowledges uncertainty and evolving knowledge. Food can prevent disease but is not a direct substitute for medicine. Emphasizing a balanced, varied diet and ongoing research is more responsible than definitive claims.

Conclusion

Dr. Clerfeld’s expertise challenges entrenched narratives about red meat and nutrition, urging a critical reassessment of the evidence, scientific processes, and public health policies. His insights highlight the complexity of nutrition science, the pitfalls of overinterpreting observational data, and the importance of nuanced, transparent communication to inform healthier individual and societal choices. This conversation is a call to balance scientific rigor with humility and to reframe nutrition guidance based on robust, reproducible evidence rather than ideology or incomplete data.

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