rook

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[–] rook@awful.systems 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Moltbook still going great. Even the enthusiasts are feeling that the shine may have worn off.

eastside mccarty @eastsidemccarty

So just to clarify: You created a thing that you now realize you can't control, and you can't do anything to secure it, and people that use ClawdBot... err sorry.. @openclaw, are own their own to deal with the consequences?! Did I get that right?

Turns out that combining unsecurable vibe-coded web services with unsecurable chatbots and combining them into an unmoderated public platform can be bad. Also, shrugging off problem reports with “i unno” is a bit of a bad look.

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eastside mccarty @eastsidemccarty

Hey @openclaw team, can you do something about these malicious skills in your registry, ClawHub? Last night, one user, hightowerSeu, published more than 200 malicious skills. Each of these tricks the user into installing malware

Rajveer @RajveerJolly

Tried to reach out, no response yet. @steipete please address it

Peter Steinberger @steipete

Yeah got any ideas how? There's about 1 Million things people want me to do, I don't have a magical team that verifies user generated content. Can shut it down or people us their brain when finding skills.

Rajveer @RajveerJolly

Sorry homie I don't have any idea either. I understand you have a lot on your plate perhaps some sort of flagging feature could do wonders

Peter Steinberger @steipete

And who reviews the flags? That would be abused right away too

eastside mccarty @eastsidemccarty

So just to clarify: You created a thing that you now realize you can't control, and you can't do anything to secure it, and people that use ClawdBot... err sorry.. @openclaw, are own their own to deal with the consequences?! Did I get that right?

Rajveer @RajveerJolly

I hear you. I guess for now people just need to double and check and verify it all bevause there isn't a simple solution to this

[–] rook@awful.systems 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Looks like they zapped it. Possibly unhappy that it was being spread.

Anyway, the gist of it is:

  • Allen Hsu is a founder of notbyai and the website includes a photo of him
  • modomodo employs someone called “Allen Hsu” who has a photograph that looks remarkably like the notbyai guy
  • the modomodo about page says

    Artificial intelligence (AI) is cool and we embrace it. But when it comes to solving complex business problems, we don’t just press a few keys to generate answers with ChatGPT.

The don’t just do that, so it’s ok guys!

[–] rook@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The suspicion that notbyai.fyi was in fact a pro-ai techbro highlighting scrapable data has prompted comment from the founder: https://mastodon.social/@notbyai/116004178899556722

Hi, Allen here! I never thought I’d need to say this but, I am not an AI bro. I don't work for an AI design agency. We're not in the AI industry, nor do we sell your data.

…which seems like a load of cobblers. Imbl brings the receipts: https://social.treehouse.systems/@imbl/116014455337112737

I’ll assume the argument will devolve into weasel words over what “ai bro” and “ai design agency” will mean, and I suspect the conclusion will be that actually he’s working for and with ai bros, with an interest in selling ai bro-related services to further the goals of ai bros in general, but somehow that wont’t be precisely the same thing.

[–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Remember there’s the bit of spacex that runs a successful commercial rocketry program, but also the bit of spacex that keeps blowing up stupid giant rockets.

All of musk’s companies have to support one of his idiotic pet projects… tesla got the cybertruck, x got grok, spacex got starship. None of them can be stopped, because they’re his and he’s personally invested in them. His flunkeys can only make questionable financial decisions around those projects, because he will fire them if they don’t.

Tesla is struggling and is trying to sidestep into humanoid robotics (a different kind of stupid idea), x was always a money sink, and now elon is concerned that his ai waifu might die without an injection of sweet government cash. It isn’t clear he’s capable of giving a shit about the consequences of any of this.

[–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago

We use starlink at work for communicating with some remote customer sites, and it’s been entirely adequate. As a super-subjective latency benchmark, i didn’t notice any particular difference in interactive ssh sessions to the starlink sites, and to the 4g lte sites in the same country. It’s been easier to set up and more reliable that some of the 4g links.

I don’t like the fact that we’e paying elon money, but in the absence of a non-evil, non-ecologically disastrous, reasonably priced alternative, I don’t really have anything to offer management as a replacement. Everything else is either much worse, or more expensive and still worse, or vastly more expensive.

[–] rook@awful.systems 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Bit early to celebrate, but every bit of grit in the wheels of the llm machine is welcome: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11’s AI overload — scaling down Copilot and rethinking Recall in a major shift

  • recall might be rethought, again
  • copilot integration in the most stupid places (notepad, paint, maybe others) “under review”
  • no new copilot integration with other tools that ship with windows

Still plenty of other ai projects going full steam ahead, but promotion in plenty of tech companies and especially microsoft comes with being associated with a product launch, and if you’re smart what happens after the launch is someone else’s problem. I wouldn’t be surprised to see plenty of this stiff clinging on until it reaches consumers, and then being immediately “scaled back”.

[–] rook@awful.systems 12 points 4 days ago (9 children)

There are other posts of the same story that include the original “dev” learning his lesson by using a cheaper model instead of just using a clock.

https://bsky.app/profile/rusty.todayintabs.com/post/3mdrdn3uu7226

There’s also a hackernews which is interesting : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46854150

Stupid stuff openclaw did for me:

  • Created its own github account, then proceeded to get itself banned (I have no idea what it did, all it said was it created some new repos and opened issues, clearly it must've done a bit more than that to get banned)
  • Signed up for a Gmail account using a pay as you go sim in an old android handset connected with ADB for sms reading, and again proceeded to get itself banned by hammering the crap out of the docs api
  • Used approx $2k worth of Kimi tokens (Thankfully temporarily free on opencode) in the space of approx 48hrs.

Unless you can budget $1k a week, this thing is next to useless. Once these free offers end on models a lot of people will stop using it, it's obscene how many tokens it burns through, like monumentally stupid. A simple single request is over 250k chars every single time. That's not sustainable.

I hadn’t realised quite how terrible the basic offering was. I guess every reinvented-cron-but-unaffordable project pushes the ai companies a little closer to bankruptcy, which is better than nothing, I guess.

[–] rook@awful.systems 11 points 4 days ago

I think there might have been a golden age of recruitment on linked in, and it might have passed. A friend of mine has been a CTO at a couple of small places, and recruited a whole bunch of their employees via linkedin but now finds that there’s just too much genai bullshit now and it is becoming uneconomical to find real candidates there. The problem isn’t linkedin-specific, but I think it has been hit pretty had.

[–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 4 days ago

Someone has a program to steal people’s entire codebases using malicious ai coding assistant extensions.

https://www.koi.ai/blog/maliciouscorgi-the-cute-looking-ai-extensions-leaking-code-from-1-5-million-developers

(note, it is an ai firm posting this, compete with cutesy slop hero image)

The vscode extensions actually do exactly what they advertise, it’s just that they also take all your code and share it with a third party for whatever purpose.

[–] rook@awful.systems 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Some suggestion here that notbyai.fyi is an ai industry op: https://social.treehouse.systems/@imbl/115978426251286619

Seems plausible. Notbyai seems pretty keen on ai, and is very relaxed about what counts as “not by ai”, and adds up to a scheme whereby you pay a pro-ai techbro a monthly subscription to advertise to ai firms that your website is ideal for scraping training data from.

but here's the fucking kicker. the "founder", allen hsu (notbyai.fyi/about), is the ux design lead at modo modo (modomodoagency.com/leadership), which is an ai design company (modomodoagency.com/about)

Artificial intelligence (AI) is cool and we embrace it. But when it comes to solving complex business problems, we don’t just press a few keys to generate answers with ChatGPT. We research, interview, brainstorm, and go through a human-centric process to come up with content and solutions that are tailored to your unique business need.

[–] rook@awful.systems 12 points 5 days ago (11 children)

I know this is like shooting very large fish in a very small barrel, but the openclaws/molt/clawd thing is an amazing source of utter, baffling ineptitude.

For example, what if you could replace cron with a stochastic scheduler that cost you a dollar an hour by running an operation on someone else’s gpu farm, instead of just checking the local system clock.

The user was then pleased to announce that they’d been able to solve the problem by changing model and reduce the polling interval. Instead of just checking the clock. For free.

https://bsky.app/profile/rusty.todayintabs.com/post/3mdrdhzqmr226

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