Great comment! Totalitarianism better describes this notion. My biggest problem is with these people thinking they know better, truth is we don't know. All of these are social experiments and instead of taking preemptive drastic measures we can take a light handed approach and make decisions democratically whenever actually needed.

Like everything else context matters

Great point. I get this threat, but do you think closing off would help this? I don't believe anyone that respects privacy (the type of user that currently uses federated social media) would join meta's instance. But by defederating, you're forcing everyone with friends outside this privacy-conscious circle to join meta, and overtime find themselves using it more and more, since it's more convenient and frankly way more users are there!

By not defederating, you're giving everyone the option to stay here and have privacy while being able to interact with all their friends, and maybe even convince some of their friends to join! (you would be able to convince them since the underlying protocol is literally the same, but they will gain privacy and won't see ads, I'd say that's compelling!)

Exactly! We will always have the option to defederated if meta acts in a bad faith (which will happen, but let's give them benefit of the doubt!).

After 1 day, they already have more users, so I don't understand how defederating can help us grow?! It will just make more sense for more people to use threads instead, since much more users are there.

Now, this is a great case! I totally understand culture and overall vibe of communities, and I think if you have a very special niche or different community, it's fine to defederate. Problem is general instances like lemmy.world

Exactly, I have a lot of normie friends that use threads, I don't want to use it but would love to interact with them. Best of both worlds

I understand your view but no, not everyone here cares about fediverse, honestly this technicalities should be abstracted for the end user. Not everyone is a nerd or have time or passion to care about fediverse, should we abandon them just because we dont like meta? No we should create a platform just as fun and easy to use as centralized platforms with better privacy and no ads.

If we keep doing this very few people will use fediverse just like what happend to matrix and others

If it's not technically possible for them to show me ads, see my ip, private messages etc how is this harmful?

True! Defederation is great sometimes, if you have a niche community and there is some other instance directly opposing your values or if content there is illegal in your jurisdiction etc.

Nagging about every single instance with a few bad actors on the other hand is problematic in my opinion

Exactly. Some people are just looking for drama

I seriously don't understand this mindset! If meta manages to make a better product it will definitely have more users, it's just how everything works!

Users will have the option to pick between convince of meta or freedom of smaller instances. Who are we to decide for everyone?