Jesus Christ, the fucking dissonance. 1 day ago you repeated the the DS9 "nothing justifies genocide" meme. And here you are, simping for fascists because.. well why? It's trendy? It makes you feel important? To differentiate yourself from the status quo? Whatever little shot of superiority dopamine you get from toeing a line that you don't understand can't be worth the denial of human rights for an entire people.

I know nothing I say makes a difference to you. You've dug in. It's part of your identify and you're scared to lose or evolve it. Maybe you wouldn't feel special anymore, I dunno, who cares.

For anyone else reading this, don't be them. Don't get brainwashed to the point where genocide isn't genocide and the only issues that matter are the ones that affect you personally. Look at their comment history. Look at this conversation. This is not a happy or confident person.

Be better.

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So your going to laugh off that place where accumulated knowledge ends up, specifically for an article with 577 sources? You don't want to read it first? Dispute the claims it makes one at a time? Check out just a couple of the 577 sources? That's 577 more than you've provided, btw.

And if I'd linked directly to the sources, what would you have said? "That's just propaganda!" That's the one I hear the most from tankies. If an article fits your narrative, even if/especially if it's from State-run news in China, it's gospel. Anything else, even if it's corroborated by different journalists and agencies around the world? Western propoganda!

I wonder if you'd give a shit about trans genocide if you weren't trans.

I know your looooove to be a victim but it's not my fantasy. It's just where the US could easily be headed.

And I'm definitely not a liberal.

And do you really need me to pop "Uyghur genocide" into a search engine for you? sigh

Ok, he's a fun starting point: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China&diffonly=true

It's the Wikipedia entry for it, and it has 577 sources.

When you're forcibly disappeared to a "reeducation camp," I know you'll be as open-minded as you are now and assert to all the other trans people packed into your boxcar that there's not really enough evidence to classify it as genocide.

I'm opposed to the Biden administration's restrictions on trans healthcare.

What's your position on the CCP's genocide of Uyghurs?

For those playing at home, here's a recap: being critical of Communist regimes makes you a "bad actor" (Jesus, tankies love that term. It's their magical spell that they invoke to avoid having to defend the asinine beliefs that "their side" holds), I've committed every argument fallacy known to man, and all I care about it making someone look bad by virtue of pointing out their about beliefs.

If you'd like a more personalized experience, head on over to lemmy.ml and suggest that China's current, very well-documented genocide exists. You can be a bad actor too!

People who take this approach are very wrapped up in identify, which is clearly the case for the person I've been having fun with if you care to check out their comment history. They need to be part of a group and feel righteous. They need all the lines defined for them. As is so often the case, they repeat big and little lies without really understanding what they're saying.

They're the same type of people who identify the horrors perpetuated by the Republican party so they say they're a die-hard Democrat. And to head off the next inevitable reply, no, both sides aren't the same. But they serve the same master, and neither gives 2 fucks about the well being or will of the people.

OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml needs to have a very rigorous identify to the point of not understanding or caring to understand what it is their chosen group actually believes or does. It's about belonging and feelings like they're in control.

All my homies hate the atrocities committed under Western capitalism AND the CCP's version of it. If you think it's about anything other than power and control for the wealthy, you're just another one of their tools.

I don't care about making you look bad. I'm throwing light onto some fucked up beliefs that get dressed up with "fuck America!" to make them more attractive to simple minds. The fact that you embrace these beliefs is irrelevant to me. This is for the reader, not you.

It does bring context to your righteous indignation that you've so closely tied the discrediting of your beliefs to a personal attack.

This exchange has been the same thing I've repeatedly seen or personally experienced with tankies.

They end up thinking that their "gotcha" will be expressing fucked up Western policies or actions. They do this because, as I originally stated, they hate the thing they know (Western capitalism) and therefore embrace "the other thing" to feel like they're on the "right" side. They assume that everyone else is doing the same, and that by being critical of Communist governments, we must love Western governments.

And as I also said up front, THEY'RE BOTH SHIT, and if you can't see that, you're very simple. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. You're not on the good guys' side just because they're opposed to the bad guys. It's the Crips vs the Bloods, not Batman vs the Joker.

I hope you wake up to this very basic truth someday, but I've continued this conversation more for other people, to show them the holes in your line of thinking.

That would be a reasonable thing to suggest if my account was on the americafirst.trump2024 server and I replied to a picture of the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians with a picture of a Palestinian doing something fucked up.

Genocide is an abomination, whether it's the Israeli government doing it to the Palestinians or the Chinese government doing it to the Uyghurs. We can all agree on that, right?

...right?

"If all you're interested in is describing the exact experience of a lot of people, all I can do is disengage because I have no leg to stand on."

The Uyghur genocide is an abomination, don't you agree?

You're right, assumptions were made, though your lack of context for posting that picture definitely lends itself to my narrative. Not refuting anything I said also doesn't help to destraw yourself.

Please, take this opportunity to clear the air and let us all know that you're aware of how damaging Chinese and Russian policies are for their people, just like Western capitalism for its people.

Anyone: Russia or China did something fucked up.

lemmy.ml: BUT WHAT ABOUT...!

These people are so black and white, it completely boggles the mind. They live in "X is bad so Y must be good!"

X and Y are both completely fucked and if you can't see that, then so are you.