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the person who wrote this post is so full of hate and contempt. I find myself quite disinterested in reading.

In the tint2 docs do a ctrl-f for 'icon'

does any of that look like it could be of any use to you? I am not sure I understand the issue but maybe this:

launcher_icon_theme = name_of_theme : (Optional) Uses the specified icon theme to display shortcut icons. Note that tint2 will detect and use the icon theme of your desktop if you have an XSETTINGS manager running (which you probably do), unless launcher_icon_theme_override = 1.

launcher_icon_theme_override = boolean (0 or 1) : Whether launcher_icon_theme overrides the value obtained from the XSETTINGS manager. (since 0.12)

If not try searching for 'icon' in the rest of the repo, issues etc.

what's so special about workspaces in tiling wms compared to other options?

I tried both of those. I don't know if I got confused about which key was the right one or what but that didn't work. I also didn't really get what the key was for... it was attached to my account, or to the conversation.....? Ended up with multiple keys and trying to guess what they are for. And since I'm not the only one involved and others were having issues it was just constant headaches.

The emoji thing I did and it also just seemed to fail. Like I would get through it and it's still not working. Sometimes it works after a few tries another other times not.

I think that having a few people all trying to move together kinds of exacerbates all these issues to be fair. Because everyone is setting up multiple devices (maybe trying different clients on a given device) and trying things out. Normally you just wouldn't be doing that much logging in. And none of us could really help the others out. If it was just one person joining an established network I don't think it would be so annoying.

I am not one of these people who's constantly surveilling RAM. But I look at it occasionally and I don't really see anything unexpected in your screenshot. Maybe you could load up comparable non open source applications doing the same task and show the comparison? How does Safari or Edge do if you create a comparable session?

Right now on my linux computer, Firefox is using 1 GB of RAM. I have lots of tabs open so that's typical. Sometimes it is higher. You are using logsec, zotero and libreoffice which suggests you are conducting research and writing. So I will guess you also have lots of tabs. And maybe browser extensions? The zotero web clipper that looks at every page you load to see if it is scrapeable? Maybe a markdown clipper doing same thing?... And there is a good chance those other applications are working with a lot of data like your whole citation database, whatever you are writing etc. Do you have any of those zotero extensions that do all kinds of fancy stuff to the items you add? Not to mention Thunderbird and whatsapp. It is a lot of stuff for the computer to do.

In firefox (and presumably librewolf) you can go to about:processes to see exactly what is going on. This page with your thread is using 59 MB. Also you can go to about:unloads which has a rudimentary method to remove background tabs from memory. With only 8gb of RAM you should make a habit of this. You can also get extensions with more sophisticated unloading methods and that might be worthwhile for you.

All that said, I think an 8GB RAM machine is likely under-powered for your task. To be fair I am making assumptions based on the applications you have open. because when I have those sorts of applications open, I am typically being quite demanding of the computer. Opening documents, converting filetypes, scraping metadata, OCR, passing information between applications, interacting with databases, drafting documents, searching email archives... and lots of tabs.

I am really surprised that Apple would sell a laptop-type device with only 8gb in the modern era. I always think of them as expensive but good hardware (if you are using them the way Apple intends). If my assumptions about your work are correct, life will improve if you can scrape up some more RAM.

I had one of the early generation kindles for a while. There was a straighrtforward jailbreak to make it more sociable. The set it up with Calibre which was smooth once properly set up. There was (likely still is) a cool plugin that would get RSS feeds, generate an ebook and sync automatically over wifi per schedule. So then when I went out I would have everything to read fresh with zero effort. Which at the time was pretty impressive. Phone batteries sucked so they were not really viable for reading unless you could have them plugged in all the time. The kindle was magic in comparison.

Anyone who wants to dive into e readers should go to the E-Book Readers section of MobileRead Forums. There people are very serious about ebooks.

I was thinking of buying another ereader a couple years ago. I sort of assumed there would be some open-ish type options. But I didn't find anything that suited me. I really liked eink and wish it was more widely used. I would love one of the phones with dual ekin/LCD displays.

All this to say I hope there is community uptake and participation in the project. I myself do not have a soldering iron and don't really need an ereader. But I think it's a cool contribution.

I’m not an expert on messengers

me neither! and I have not desire to become one. :D

It has been a big surprise to see how involved you have to get and how much complex understanding is required just to chat. And in my group of friends I am one of the more power user types. If I struggle to use something, then I can't recommend it to others. So far everyone is really discouraged and I think it is reflecting quite badly on the concept of moving away from corporate/proprietary solutions. And FLOSS. It seems like just not viable for average users. :(

In this kind of situation we don't have unlimited chances to try all different options one by one. because in requires a coordinated effort for multiple people to make accounts, set up devices, learn new software etc. People do not have time for that on demand. I think for most people, you have 1 shot at this kind of thing, if any. And if they are not FLOSS-type people they will be basing their opinions of all of FLOSS alternatives on the experience.

Patience is wearing thin. I think if the next thing we try doesn't work, then it'll be back to facebook/whatsapp/sms for the next 10 years. So I want to find a viable suggestion or be able to manage expectations and adapt to what is realistic.

I have seen it but never tried it. I kind of got the impression it was like a novelty/experimental thing rather than a general purpose serious application. Is that incorrect?

Does your email account get filled up with bazillions of messages? I once installed an app that "backed up" all my SMS to email; it made 1 email for every SMS. It was terribly annoying because when searching mail for something all these irrelevant scraps of old conversations ago clutter up.

Or do you just have a separate mail account to use on chat?

Do you have the impression that I have not actually had the problems I am describing? Like I just read online that other people had problems? Not the case. As I said after you assumed I "only tried Pidgin 🤦‍♂️" I have tried lots clients.

but it is a bit unfair to blame that on xmpp, when Pidgin has not updated their xmpp implementation for more than 10 years 🙄

Who is blaming anything on pidgin? you are the one who brought up pidgin.

The join jabber link is very nice and I didn't find it before. But I actually tried the 2 linux clients they recommend: dino and gajim. And between us, going from memory I think we have tried all but 1 of the recommended servers.

The impression I got from digging around in repos (which I don't really want to be doing just to get a messaging app tbh) is that the problems we had are legit open issues in some cases. But it is hard to diagnose because the client developers don't have knowledge/control of the end user's local environment or the server set up. And likewise the server admins don't know the internals of every single client. End users with problems are challenged to collect all the required information. Here is an example from gagim: Chat History Sync Issue (#11380)

I do not think it is fair to characterize that user as a "badly informed online pundit". They have a problem and it is basically too complicated to resolve with the available resources. There is probably some unknown contributing factor.

Snikket:

Help! I just want to chat!

Don’t worry! If there are no Snikket services that would give you an invite and if you are unable to run your own, Snikket may not currently be the right app for you.

Sorry that was pretty unclear lol

I was linking to another comment I wrote in this thread about this very strange cryptocurrency-based chat thing. I sort of had the impression maybe you have some prior knowledge of this. I never heard of it and find it puzzling just what the heck they are up to. I am not gonna use it because it smells bad. But am now interested to know what sort of business is going on. The person who recommended it sounds very satisfied with the chat interface. Why/how is it attached to crypto? Just.. so weird.

https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/5757510 ????

Well I will say that I totally didn't predict crypto would pop up in this thread. Curious.

getsession.org > Technicals > Documentation > Overview

In exchange for maintaining reliable and trustworthy blockchain nodes, node operators periodically receive rewards in the form of $OXEN tokens.

It sounds like what it is saying is that people who host the remote servers are paid in this crypto currency for the service. Cryptocurrency is mainly useful for laundering money and scamming people. I am having a hard time understanding (a) how there is enough demand for this niche chat service that it should play a major role in their little economy, and (b) where the usefulness of this crypto (e.g. value in fiat so you can do anything with it) could possible some in. Other than scams, laundering etc.

After that comes

It's so... weird... to have all this as the introductory docs. Not a troubleshooting guide or dependency info but all this crazy scam BS.

I see that you are saying this crypto stuff doesn't intrude on the app. Like you are not getting popups trying to scam you; OK. And you think the app is really good. Can the server/app could be de coupled from all this other stuff? Could it be run independently of this fake economy? That's what I don't understand about this "not crypto" blockchain stuff. If it's not crypto, why is the documentation all about crypto instead of normal user or dev manual?

I appreciate the time to answer the question. But I have to be honest this feels icky. Don't you get the feeling something sleazy is going on? At any rate when these people get caught or cash out won't everything vanish?