We definitely should make a poll to understand our demographics, eventually. Maybe i'll do it one day. It would be a huge benefit for us users and developers.

As for reasons why people don't choose to try lemmy, i remember before i joined lemmy that i heard warnings of the developers and community denying genocides, making up false information, and being toxic in general etc. I also couldn't wrap my mind around instances. That definitely soured my opinion, to be honest. Of course, now i know those are only a couple of instances that could easily be blocked, but the average user isn't going to understand instances, federation, etc.

The reason why bluesky was so successful was because it's easy. It has pseudo-federation, but it ""conveniently"" chooses the main server for you. That's why most users are on bsky.social. Simple, but incredibly centralized. It defeats the point. Also, the UI is very similar to old twitter. Lemmy/mbin are more radical in terms of differences, this makes it more niche.

I just don't think people are ready for the fediverse, yet. Maybe in a couple of years, people will start joining us, but for now, we're the minority.

Maybe not, but nowadays, most are. And you are correct, they believe in free markets and private property, with little regulation.

My intent was not to cause division, I originally meant to clear things up for the user I was originally replying to, but things quickly descended into arguing about semantics. I agree that we should all work together to eliminate the rising threat of far right, fascist parties worldwide. That is what we should be focusing on.

I'm tired over me bikeshedding, So i'm just going to forfeit out of this argument.

Have a great weekend

I wasn't conflating. Conservatives are not liberals. But they are both right wing. (at least, classical liberals are)

And there is more than just class warfare, i agree.

But so what? why does it matter that they are right wing? not everyone has to be a communist.

The term left and right are very ambiguous to define in the first place. Some people argue that leftism is anti-capitalism. Some argue that leftism is just belief in equality. They are all right. Same thing with the right wing.

The whole left and right label is very ambiguous and hard for me to define. I agree liberalism is an umbrella term for a variety of political ideologies. I was mainly talking about classic liberalism, while it seems that you are talking about social liberalism. Social liberalism, at most, is center left. So is social democracy. I was mainly thinking about neoliberalism, and such.

Liberalism is against most things that the right wing of the political spectrum explicitly stands for

I'm assuming you're talking in a US perspective.

Leftism describes a spectrum of political ideologies that seeks to minimize hierarchies and desires to achieve equality and egalitarianism. Liberalism is a pro-capitalist ideology, and capitalism is hierarchial and is unequal. Thus, liberalism is right wing. Progressivism isn't related to right or left wing. You can be a communist but socially conservative. You can be fiscally conservative and be progressive. In the US, being left wing or right wing is mainly measured on how progressive, or if you support social programs (a little leftist, but still can be right wing, just center-right). Liberalism is right wing. Conservatism is far right.

Don't be rude, they can't help it. They have a natural instinct to talk about US politics, even if completely unrelated. They are victims ;(

/s

Good, but slow

There are many right wingers here, not conservatives. Liberals are right wing, and lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works are mainly liberal instances.

What rimu was mainly talking about are conservatives, or even far right users. So he wasn't criticizing the whole right wing, he just used the term right wing to refer to those.

I've skimmed the lemmy.world modlog, and it seems you seem to be right. That was a bad example.

But my point was moreso on the stubbornness of mods. For example, if i suggest that China is bad on lemmy.ml, that'll get me a ban under the guise of "rule 1". Why? it's not against the rules, it's not bigoted or racist.

If i write controversial, or even bigoted comments, then that's another story. I was criticizing power tripping mods that ban users if they personally disagree with them, instead of actually break the rules

Don't forget our dear Dessalines, he's a very sensitive one.

Don't worry, the feds won't get me, I'm different! /s

Just uhh, if I "dissappear", then they got me 😔