[-] alamani@lemmy.fmhy.ml 22 points 11 months ago

i see why they suddenly decided to destroy third party apps 💀

[-] alamani@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

They soften from absorbing milk and people generally add sugar or other sweeteners. Still not the peak of breakfast cuisine, though.

[-] alamani@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

If anything it's the reverse. 'Touch grass' has become a thing for a reason.

[-] alamani@lemmy.fmhy.ml 12 points 11 months ago

I've seen so many boomer memes on lemmy, it's surreal

[-] alamani@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Take this with a grain of salt since I'm not a framework owner (but very interested in getting one), but heads up that I consistently hear its battery life isn't the best. The modularity makes it less efficient or something, iirc.

Edit: see the replies to me for better info!

[-] alamani@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Thanks, this looks great!

[-] alamani@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think that's fair. Good conversations can and do happen, especially on platforms allowing longer contributions like tumblr, but when a site revolves around following people instead of subjects it makes your interactions a public performance to all of your followers. That has a huge impact on discussion quality, incentivising dramatic takes popular in your corner of the internet and disincentivising saying anything controversial.

When you combine that with poor moderation on most platforms and algorithms that promote outrage-inducing content, toxicity and cancel culture are inevitable imo. It's shit even for creators.

[-] alamani@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

While we can't be completely sure, our current understanding of sentience makes it a reasonable assumption. Even if plants are sentient, eating from higher trophic levels causes more plant deaths than eating plants directly.

Regarding the rest, I feel like I addressed all of that in the comment above. I'm a fallible human being and personal discomfort with killing animals no less cognitively complex than our pets, and sometimes toddlers, is definitely a factor, but I've been arguing based on necessity and quantity instead of that.

EDIT: And to be clear, I've never claimed veganism is environmentally perfect. It doesn't solve every problem with food production, it just helps with some, and it seems largely better for the environment (albeit with nuance around grazing certain types of land) even if we keep doing monocultures.

[-] alamani@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The difference between killing animals and plants, which do not have a CNS and therefore almost certainly aren't sentient, has been discussed thoroughly elsewhere in this comments section. Do you believe mowing a lawn is equivalent to harming a dog?

Regarding insects, it should be emphasised that veganism is avoiding anything that causes animal suffering or exploitation as far as is practical. Necessary cases, like the unavoidable death of insects for plant agriculture, aren't morally equivalent to unnecessary cases in the same way that killing other humans can sometimes be justified by circumstances, eg. self-defence. (EDIT: And any livestock raised on feed are indirectly causing more insect death regardless.)

People can indeed have different personal comfort levels when it comes to moral debates, but we can also discuss whether those comfort levels are reasonable. Otherwise 'we have different personal comfort levels' could be used in response to any moral question. It could be within someone's 'personal comfort level' to kill and eat babies as long as they were treated well until then.

Edit: TL;DR: context matters for any moral question and I'm not a fan of total moral relativism.

[-] alamani@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Other people have pointed out the differences between plants and most animals, but it's also worth noting that livestock need to eat plants. Because energy is wasted between each stage in a food chain, an omnivorous diet likely kills more plants anyway.

[-] alamani@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

I'm not the same person, but it's not about our physical evolution imo. It's about advances in agriculture, our understanding of nutrition and ability to supplement or fortify foods with things like vitamin B12. Without those things, trying to cut out all animal products would probably be a terrible idea. With them, it becomes a viable choice for people with a good understanding of nutrition and without health problems that clash with veganism.

[-] alamani@lemmy.fmhy.ml 12 points 11 months ago

Arguing that something's okay because it's a natural behaviour is the naturalistic fallacy. The difference is that other species don't have any choice over how they live or even the mental capacity to think about the morality of their actions. Humans that are well-off and don't have medical conditions that clash with veganism do.

I used to agree with the second paragraph, but watching videos of pigs/cows/chickens being slaughtered changed my mind. Imo their prior treatment doesn't really negate what happens there- and even if it did, I couldn't use ideal farm conditions as a defense when the vast majority of meat I've been eating is raised under less ideal conditions.

(This isn't calling anyone who eats a burger satan, to be clear. Just trying to say my views in good faith.)

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