Wolf

We are already fucked.

You’re not going to change your mind, I’ve had hundreds of conversations with people like you before. You can’t be convinced or admit you’re wrong. But maybe (I hoped) you could be persuaded to change your post title.

I definitely could be persuaded to change my mind- but I'm certainly not going to do it just because some rando with an agenda who claims to be an expert and tells me that it's so with no proof.

Factually proven wrong information.

You haven't factually proven anything, and that is a fact.

a link to an ABC video making it sound like a news organisation said this.

What kind of moron would conclude that because of my post title, the video which has a completely different title and makes no such claim agrees with me? That makes zero sense.

Your post title is making a claim with absolute certainty. If you can’t see that, I can’t continue this conversation.

My post title is stating what I (still) believe to be true. I'm not going to qualify every statement I believe to be true with weasel words in the off chance I am wrong, just to please pedants who like to make a big deal over every word uttered online. I am a human being and capable of making mistakes- and If I see proof that I have made a mistake then I will admit it. If that's not good enough for you then please don't continue this conversation.

Your stills of the hand clearly show a cross dissolve.

The stills of the hand clearly show that the jacket and shirt are in the EXACT same position in the two frames and the only things that look fucky are his hand and fingers. What are the odds that Trump was able to position himself so precisely? I don't buy it.

That explains why you think the length of the finger is incorrect too.

No, it doesn't- at all. I am saying in the FIRST picture BEFORE the cut his 'ring' finger is clearly longer than his 'middle' finger. I even made sure to check and see if he wasn't some sort of a freak that just happened to have a longer ring finger than normal- did you even look at that pic?

The absolute zero benefit at all to Trump to “deepfake” his finger

And what was the benefit of trying to hide the cut in either scenario? They clearly did that- whether through 'traditional' editing or AI- so that point doesn't mean anything.

But seeing how you struggle with concepts of what constitutes an expert

I don't 'struggle' with who or what is an expert- I've just been around long enough to know not to immediately trust every Tom, Dick, or Harry who claims to be one. Judging by your defensiveness and your inability to provide ANY sources to back up your claims- I don't think it's unreasonable to continue to doubt- unless there is some other way you could prove your credentials.

If you had simply got on and said "Hey, I happen to work in video forensics and I think this is just simply a clever editing trick that doesn't use AI", I might have been more inclined to think you might know what you are talking about, but it seems like you have issues that go far beyond simply disagreeing with my conclusion, so forgive me for being skeptical- or don't. I don't really care one way or the other.

Occam’s razor

So in your opinion, the simplest explanation is that they went out of their way to try and disguise a cut for -some reason- rather than they just used deepfake tech? Ok, well that's fine that is your opinion, but to jump from "I came to a different conclusion than you" to "OMG OP is a Sensationalist pushing an Agenda and they are literally DESTROYING LEMMY!" is quite the stretch my guy. You seem to have a more sensationalist take than me from my pov.

Not to mention the mindless upvotes, because “Trump” + “AI” = upvote.

Why are you so hung up on upvotes? Can you buy anything with them? Maybe people aren't 'mindlessly' up-voting things- maybe they see the same things I do. You ever think of that? It seems like you just think everything that doesn't agree with you is wrong and bad.

If you have some proof of what you are saying I am perfectly open to hearing it and I will edit my post- until then its just so much wind.

Notice the one time this tree blur morph happens is exactly at the same time of the hands and face/mouth anomaly and when he goes “Charlie was a … patriot”.

Ok? I noticed all of that- it still doesn't really explain it.

Sometimes it’s more expert-like to say you can’t say for sure,

Sure. My point is you are saying it could be A, or B, or C, or D, or E,F, or G- but it's definitely not H because- I said so and I'm an "Expert".

than being a keyboard warrior who declares absolutisms in the hunt for ego votes.

First of all there is nothing 'warrior' about my post- I'm not claiming to be some sort of badass. Secondly Idgaf about fake internet points, never have and never will. Thirdly I never claimed to be 100% certain- I laid out all the things that made me come to that conclusion. You aren't convinced- fine- but I'm equally not convinced by your explanation or claims of being an expert.

In at least half of all discussion on the internet there has been a 'black man' who agrees with the white racists when discussing racism. Or some other 'expert' in whatever is being discussed. I'm not saying you aren't an expert, but it seems like you would have better proof of what you are saying if you were.

A cross dissolve will work that way if it is dissolving between two identical frames.

And I asked you for an example- there should be multiple examples readily at hand to prove this point.

These are the two exact frames where the transition happens. There doesn't appear to be any kind of 'dissolve' happening. One minute the pinky is there, the next it's gone.

Out of curiosity does a 'cross-dissolve' also make people's ring finger longer than their middle finger? Or is Trump just a freak like that?

In this photo Trumps ring finger on his left hand appears to be shorter than his middle finger, almost like he was a normal human.

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Let me know if you have any more questions.

Thanks, I do have a couple.

I’ve done this for over 2 decades.

What's "this"? If you are going to tell me spotting the difference between a deepfake and real footage I am going to be seriously impressed-and I'll have more questions.

The green blur is the tree changing because of the wind possibly.

The green blur doesn't do a quick cut though like you are saying happened with his hands. It moves in a smooth manner over to it's new position and just stays there. No 'bounce back' no swaying- it just quickly moves and stays in its new location. Now I'm not expert on the wind or trees- but that is definitely not the behavior I've noticed when the wind blows tree branches around.

Could also be a light of any sort, artificial or the sun.

So it sounds like despite your two decades of expertise in-something- you don't really have a clue what caused that blur to move- but you assume it's any number of things other than a Deepfake. Wouldn't a cross-dissolve of two different clips of the same scene sort of make it look like he has two pinky's in the transition frame and not one that disappears?

Do you have an example of a scene where a cross-dissolve transition works that way?

What qualifies you to be an expert?

You can see above his head in the window that the green blur in the trees changes at the same time.

Right, that's suspicious too. What's your explanation for the trees suddenly moving?

I think the AI in the name AI Video Detector is referring to the fact that it detects AI, not that it is AI. I'm not sure though, it's just the first free one that popped up.

If you know of one that is more reliable or that you trust more I'd be happy to run the video through there- or you can.

I didn't really need a 3rd party site to tell me that the video is sus- it's pretty clear just by looking at it.

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Edit: a better one created by someone else.

You mean the same dumbass that blames an ingredient that hasn't been in vaccines in over 20 years for Autism, an ingredient that has never been shown to cause autism in the first place? Does anyone actually take this jackass seriously?

Bobby Kennedy must be rolling over in his grave.