ToastedPlanet

They at least know it exits enough to learn more about it in theory. The issue is that when trying to explain socialism to other people, it is often rejected out of pocket. Neoliberalism is a major culprit in this. People often say things like, socialism doesn't work or the Soviet Union collapsed.

People will still need to learn about socialism in more detail, that's not in dispute. But neoliberal ideas are acting as a blocker for people to even want to learn more about other ideas like socialism. People can be placated by the incremental progress offered by neoliberals, when they don't realize we need systemic change and wealth redistribution if we are going to fix problems like climate change and wealth inequality. edit: typo

My point is even if you get a person to stop being a fascist, they don't also lose the neoliberal ideas that they have in their head. Once a person rejects fascism they still have to reject neoliberalism.

This is an anti-accelerationist meme. I thought that was mostly self-evident, but I suppose I should have spelled that out. Any ideology can be susceptible to accelerationism. The point of this meme was that socialists seem to still arguing that the material conditions are not bad enough. They've been bad enough for a while and there's not a lot of room left for them to get worse before we get death camps. edit: typo

Very cool!

We reached that point awhile ago. I've made a meme about it. It will be in my posts.

No amount of hardship or things getting worse will make people wake up. People will unironically think they aren't working enough if they're before retirement age and if they're after retirement age they will say something like 'I did everything right, but I have no money'. They have an existing framework to view their material conditions thanks to neoliberalism.

This must be corrected if we want people to adopt socialist and progressive ideas. We have to educate people if we want to make things better. There is no way around it. Now we have to educate people during a fascist dictatorship.

I posted this on the meta community. The mods and admins will see it.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/25367982

That video is the best source that I've seen that summarizes the relevant points. It's also the first source I've found on the history of neoliberalism. The video is well researched and had an interview with an expert on the topic. So not only is it a highly relevant video to our discussion, it should be shared widely as it is an efficient way to educate people on neoliberalism. It's also relatively recent so not everyone will have seen it yet.

Many people, if not most people in America and probably the West at large grew up partially internalizing these neoliberal ideas. But many of them don't even know the name of the ideology let alone where those ideas come from. You argument initially did not seem to recognize neoliberalism as a political ideology. This is a common misconception I see all over lemmy. This gap in education must be corrected as neoliberal ideas are what have lead us to the current fascist regime. And even if we defeat this MAGA dictatorship, we will still need to contented with this pervasive neoliberal thinking when attempting to implement socialist and progressive policies.

Besides the European-American divide where conservatives are referred to as liberal in Europe and progressives are referred to as liberal in America there are actual misconceptions. One being Marxist-Leninists and many other leftists call anyone to the right of them liberals. In addition people conflate classical liberals, neoliberals, neoconservatives, and fascists as the same ideology.

Not being able to identify these ideologies will make people rhetorically ineffective at best and counter-productive at worst. Neoliberals and fascists have their own ideas that need to be countered with arguments that address those ideologies' actual positions. What we have currently is people resulting to name calling, calling everyone a liberal, which isn't a persuasive argument.

And yes, the US education system needs an overhaul. But its underfunding is an intentional part of the Republican strategy. An uneducated populace is easier to control. We need to fund our education system in the US and the government in general. In order to fund the government we have to get money out politics, which means taking control of the source of wealth from the owner class. In order to convince people that's necessary we need them to understand neoliberalism is a sales pitch for the scam that is late-stage capitalism.

That's a lot of work that needs to be done. Sharing this video is a small thing anyone can do to contribute to that. And what a lot people seem to fail to understand is that whether or not there is a peaceful revolution or violent revolution this work will still need to be done. There's no shortcut for educating people.

Your comments are not federating properly to my instance, but I found the link. Thanks for sharing it, I enjoyed it immensely. =D

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Linebaugh points to the influential words of August Spies, one of the convicted men, who just before his execution cried out the famous words: "There will come a time when our silence will be more powerful than the voices you strangle today."

That's a powerful quote. I remember going to local May Day fairs and maybe celebrating it in elementary school. Those events definitely did not cover any of this fascinating history about worker's rights.

Poor is not defined as those who have the least in the economic terms being discussed in this article. That's why there is a poverty line to define what is meant by poor. The poverty line used by the government needs to be updated however.

If people had more than enough to get by then we wouldn't considered them poor even if no one had less money than them. Having the least amount of money isn't the issue. The issue is can a person acquire the goods and services they need to live. If not that's a problem and we've been describing that problem as being poor.

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