Thanks for bringing this here VS.
Saw Tatosky’s thread on Mastodon. It really gives a much better sense of how ‘real’ the preproduction was under Fuller.
Lots of expenditure clearly but badly managed.
Tamara Deverell talked about having little to spend when she took over after the pilot because the initial sets were built on the designs Fuller signed off on.
No engineering but a bay to hand load missiles! Which she repurposed to Stamets’ spore lab.
TIL that the Voyager app doesn’t support custom emojis🤯
I think OP is looking for the kind of drills that Duolingo excels at.
Canadians generally can find language schools but daily self-study makes enormous difference.
I’d say definitely more than adjacent as it sounds like he’s been the CBS Studios side suit opposite Kurtzman who’s been running the production company responsible for the Star Trek franchise.
My point is that I haven’t ever had any patience with the generational gatekeeping in the Star Trek.
I’ve been offended by it since the TOS fans campaigned to keep TAS from ever being aired. And I am more than done with TNG fans trying to brigade and kill every new offering.
I really don’t think you are assessing anything new on its merits at all.
What I am trying to say is that we - my spouse and I — am enjoying S31 on its merits, for what it is, in this period of television and movie making.
It IS fun stuff. We will be rewatching again!
My partner loved all the little inside references, including the hairstyle on the singer in the lounge.
S31 is a piece of this time. And we aren’t living in 1990.
It has more richness than Ryan Gosling or Ryan Reynolds action movies that become boring with endless action sequences.
I personally loved TNG in its run. It was the right Star Trek for its time.
If you asked me in the early 1990s, I would have agreed that TNG was the best Trek ever.
At that time, I much preferred it to TOS At that point, TOS was far enough out of time that it grated but not so far that it can be appreciated for itself, as something from another era.
I’m actually finding TNG not so great now. Your appreciation can evolve over time if you let it.
When our kids (now late teens) went through an intense fandom for Voyager in middle school, I understood why they thought it was the better show of the two. It was a better fit for them and I came to really love that show after originally finding it weaker than TNG.
Where I am coming from is that the TNG generation of fans needs to seriously lighten up and stop trying to insist that it’s the only model for good Trek or television.
You don’t own Trek any more than the boomers and older GenX did when TNG came on. At least we were the key demographic then - you are NOT now. TNG fans in their 40s are not the generation that this movie primarily targets.
Just as the TOS fans who were so derisive of TNG were damaging to the franchise, so is from the Berman era younger GenX and older Millennial fans.
You want tension and drama in a Star Trek show or movie.
That could be good. But it’s NOT the ONLY definition of good. It’s just a different kind of storytelling.
Trek on TV and movies has always had a mix of drama, horror, comedy, camp and action adventure. Even TNG covered all of these every single season.
We’re in an era where generally shows keep to one tone.
I have argued that the TNG and Kelvin movies that tried to hard to mix tones within a single movie, felt cringey (Nemesis, Beyond).
S31 went for a single tone for the most part and delivered.
SNW is able to mix tones because it’s episodic but there are fans who refuse to watch any episodes because the campy or lighthearted ones exist.
Well, I just rewatched it and enjoyed it all the more the second time.
My partner saw it for the first time, really enjoyed it, laughing the way through - with an overall rating of 7.5.
Like my partner, I’m an old thing.
I have watched absolutely everything Trek in first run since 1966 so I don’t have a lot of patience with those who became fans in the Berman era and feel entitled to gatekeep or define what isn’t Trek or isn’t ‘good’ for the next generation
I actively kept TOS fans from booing down young TNG fans trying to speak up at the cons in the late 1980s and early 1990s. These YouTubers are cut from the same mould but unfortunately have a much bigger public than the toxic TOS fans did on Usenet or subscription mimeod fanzines.
I actually enjoyed S31 for what it is and am about to rewatch it today with my partner.
It’s campy, and full of action sequences and fights, but that was to be expected with MU Georgiou.
It’s relatively rich in plot and characterization when I compare it to the run of current action movies like ‘The Grey Man’ on Netflix.
And it’s soooo much better than Star Trek V ‘The Final Frontier’.
How anyone can talk about the movies failing now clearly had rose coloured glasses on while watching:
Kirk’s death in ‘Generations’
the completely boring, Patrick Stewart indulgent dune buggy sequence in ‘Nemesis’ followed by the offensive rape content with stoic and sarcastic Troi turned into a tearful, dependant mess
‘Into Darkness’
the destruction of the Enterprise, ridiculous motorcycle stored on bridge and motorcycle action sequence in ‘Beyond’
Not sure ‘cutting them’ is totally accurate.
The writing team and original creator/showrunner EPs Kim & Lippoldt were joined by a guy who had some showrunner experience. At the time, it sounded more like the Paramount suits weighed in on that as the show stayed in development hell even after an original greenlight.
But the fact is that when S31 got put on the back burner during the pandemic lockdown, Kim & Lippoldt took an offer from Netflix to take over as showrunners of ‘Sweet Tooth’.
They have been very successful with that. Paramount would be very fortunate to get them back to run anything.
My thoughts exactly.
It would be great if they could bring Kim & Lippoldt back as showrunners/EPs and get someone else to direct it.
Sooooo unbearably sugary and sweet. Yikes.
I bought one many decades in childhood and couldn’t finish it despite loving cherry-centred chocolates.
I found out when we visited the Hershey plant in Smiths Falls before the closure that it was originally a local brand targeted for the super-sweet preferences of Eastern Ontario and Quebec - which are apparently shared with Louisiana and Georgia.
So basically Beckett Mariner’s story.