Riverside

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[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

"The CNT-FAI was heavily repressed by the Soviets. Source: CNT". Well, that's not too convincing, I expected some historical research providing numerical data, not the opinions of a CNT member.

Modern estimates of NKVD murders of whom they considered counter-revolutionaries in Republican Spain during the Civil War show 20 proven murders by a total of 10 agents. The book you quoted has no sourcing, it's just the ramblings of a CNT member that we're supposed to take for true. It propagates made-up speculations such as the supposed torture of Andreu Nin at the hands of the Soviets (zero evidence), and makes no effort whatsoever to bring any number to the total of anarchists repressed. It talks of 3500 fascists repressed by the SIM (a Spanish organization, not Soviet), so Anarchists were likely numbered at most in the hundreds, but again, you provide no numerical evidence for your claims.

It's unbearable as a Spaniard hearing these hearsay "if the Soviets hadn't sabotaged the anarchists, they may have won the war", as if the Soviets didn't provide the very weapons the Anarchists were using. No effort in actual data recounting is done, just shameless anti-Soviet propaganda based on literal fabrications like the torturing of Andreu Nin, and the total disregard for the actually logical repression of some anarchists and Trotskyists who, knowingly or not, were collaborating with the Nazis as proven by Harro Shulze-Boysen, a German spy who spied for the soviets and was executed when the Nazis uncovered that he had warned the Soviets about a Nazi plot to have an anarchist revolution in Barcelona to weaken the Republic and make the defeat easier: Link

This was the same insurrection independently reported to the Centre by the Soviet embassy in Berlin after receiving an anonymous tip-off from their agent Harro Schulze- Boysen. From contacts on the Luftwaffe General Staff he revealed that German agents had also infiltrated Trotskyists circles in Barcelona with the intention of encouraging their putsch

Now, bring some numerical historical evidence supporting your claim of massive repressions against anarchists by the Soviets which led to them losing the war

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 10 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah but I'd shift the phrasing from "nobody wins from war" to "carpet bombing of civilians by an imperialist power is evil"

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 points 5 hours ago

Romania and Bulgaria are rich? I'm Spanish, a country by no means rich, and we have tons of Romanian immigrants because the working conditions there are extremely hard, and they suffered similar issues:

This is especially true for Bulgaria, they lost like a freaking third of the population since 1990 (from 9mn to 6.4mn in 2024). By what metric are they rich? GDP per capita? How about access to housing, to healthcare, to quality education, the ability to stay in rural areas with non-decrepit infrastructure...

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, that's a common sentiment by idealists facing real, material revolutions. Kropotkin and Babushka Breshko-Breshkovskaya had similar fallouts with the Bolsheviks after 1917.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

How big of a part was it the Soviets sabotaging the CNT-FAI? Can you point to the extent of sabotage and the main avenues through which it happened? It's an accusation I hear thrown around a lot, but when I ask about the actual sabotage and what it consisted of and its extent, I rarely receive an answer

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 points 6 hours ago

The real winner of WW2 is the Soviet Union, which saved tens of millions of lives from Nazi extermination and destroyed Nazism all the way to Berlin.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (6 children)

Wikipedia article on Orwell's list

Could you elaborate on the "coming away jaded" after the Spanish civil war? I'm interested on an outsider's opinion (assuming you're not a Spaniard like me)

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 4 points 8 hours ago (8 children)

"Got disillusioned" is a very mild term for turning into an MI6 stooge and reporting communists to intelligence agencies, the fucking prick!

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 4 points 8 hours ago

Laws can be broken too

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 points 9 hours ago

It's even more structural than that. You can control functionally all editors by controlling the academia and media. Wikipedia is necessarily a reflection of the biases of the editors and the sources they peruse. Misogynistic bias in your society, media and academia will lead to a misogynistic Wikipedia. Racist bias in your society, media and academia will lead to a racist Wikipedia. Anticommunist bias in your society, media and academia will lead to an anticommunist Wikipedia.

For example, western Wikipedia editors have been quick to deprecate Chinese state media sources such as CGTN or Russian such as RT (not complaining about the latter), but even after the horrifying complacency in genocide in Gaza, the BBC is still widely accepted.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Hey Cowbee, I'm back after deleting my account referencing your name lmao. I appreciate you bringing up your knowledge about the two counter-revolution events in Hungary and Czechoslovakia.

Would you be interested in me doing a review of a book by Radoslav Selucký (economic advisor during the Czechoslovak counterrevolution attempt) called "El modelo Checoslovaco de Socialismo" (the Czechoslovak model of Socialism, printed in West Germany and later translated to Spanish and published in Fascist Spain)?

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 10 hours ago

All good, buddy! Clarified who I meant :)

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