PugJesus

Okay. Sorry that you dislike pattern recognition too.

You're right, mischaracterization and negative insinuations are only okay if you have the right tone.

Sorry that I don't play asspat games.

If you want to be pedantic about what NATO was called when the same members were just the allied forces then idk if we can talk about this in good faith.

... Jesus fucking Christ.

Israel was not 'given land' by 'the allied forces'.

It seems like most of the “antisemitism” that appeared out of nowhere in the last couple months is just a renewal of an IDF troll campaign.

So... Clintonism: The Sequel?

So glad the goons in the DNC have learned their lesson.

/u/ZombiFrancis can correct me if I’m wrong but I think what they’re saying is that the DNC was unable to redefine what is perceived as electable;

That would contradict their statements in response to my criticism

And yeah, I still support my own point, now and from a year ago, because I don’t dismiss the support as empty land.

At any rate the criticism in both cases is the rejection of those ‘empty land’ folks. It is consistent. I supported it then and I support it now. What I don’t support is then turning around and dismissing those people and states as empty land. This isn’t rocket surgery.

the stale notion that progressivism is not palatable to rural working class voters despite evidence to the contrary.

It's literally not, though. As I've said numerous times before, the "Do you want [GOOD THING]?" polling that people so often point to ignores that a very large proportion of the people who respond positively to that will walk it back the moment you introduce any sort of the things that conservatives hammer as a downside.

The answer is, mind you, not to water down progressivism - it's to stop trying to fucking bend over backwards for areas that vote 95%+ (not joking, I lived near districts with those numbers) GOP every fucking election. While going immediately full-throttle far-left on every issue may not be ideal, Clintonesque 'triangulation' is a clear and distinct failure, and needs to be abandoned, despite the DNC's reluctance to let it go. We do, as you said, need a coherent and firm vision we can push going forward.

But don't be fooled into thinking there's some easy way to reach out and 'convert' these rural working class voters. They have fundamentally different values than progressives.

I didn’t say a 2 person ballot wasn’t a democracy. I said it wasn’t even twice as good as a dictatorship.

... I'm lost.

It does have a symbol, though.

At any rate the criticism in both cases is the rejection of those ‘empty land’ folks. It is consistent. I supported it then and I support it now. What I don’t support is then turning around and dismissing those people and states as empty land. This isn’t rocket surgery.

No, it's not rocket surgery, yet you literally just restated the contradictory position without a hint of self-awareness. In one case, you acknowledge (and condemn) that your dreaded shitlib opposition aren't working off the 50-state strategy; in this case, you pretend that your dreaded shitlib opposition are working off the 50-state strategy so you have an excuse to call them hypocrites.

They, by your own description, are not 'turning around' and dismissing those folks, because by your own description, they don't support the 50-state strategy to begin with. But wouldn't it be awful if you had to argue your points on the actual merits instead of accusing your enemies of being hypocrites as a replacement for putting in any sort of thought or substance to your usual reflexively reactionary takes?

I think you don’t understand what I initially said in this thread here, and have taken that personally.

Considering that I'm the one in this thread who's objected to the map's misleading nature by pointing out that most of it is empty land?

Your attempts at plausible deniability are, uh, not very plausible. Nor is your usual extensive intellectual disingenuity impressive.

What's this? I'm not as plugged-in since the election.

Some manner of inscription, maybe? It looks like there's a symbol on its head in the link. I'm not very well informed on Egyptian religious idols, though.

The worst part is that people on Lemmy are more politically engaged than your average eligible voter. This is literally the top half of the population, in terms of political engagement and education.

God help us.