MisterFrog

This would be incredibly easy to get a refund for under Australian consumer law, at least.

Not that I believe most people would do this.

Nor that any fines will be handed down for this despicable behaviour...

Even better option, break up the duopoly.

Go ask the vast majority of Australians this same question and you'll get roughly the same answer: because the number of guns in the community makes it more likely to be stolen and more likely to fall into the hands of people who will misuse those guns.

It's the fact people can get access to guns, which is literally what happened at Bondi. The cunts had recreational licenses. Are you going to tell me with a straight face that it would not have been harder for them if recreational licenses didn't exist? They legally owned those guns.

This isn't America, the debate you're having is no where near you side in this country. People don't generally think you have a right to have a gun for fun. I would be willing to bet many people will judge you here for even being a hobbyist gun owner. As they should.

The actual hobby doesn't bother me. I don't doubt you won't hurt anyone. But you're lying to yourself and everyone if you're going to try and deny the risk to the community recreational licenses present.

Its the number of guns out there and the ease of access that presents the risk.

In conclusion, get a new hobby. I'm in no way apologising for that position and it's very self-centred if you can't accept that allowing hobbyist gun ownership is a risk to the community, just because it's fun for you.

It would suck for you if recreational licenses hopefully get removed one day, I get that, but seriously. You need to suck it up.

I hope we don't need to have another massacre before we finally get rid of hobby licenses, and I think it's ridiculous that wasn't included in these law changes, considering that's how the weapons were acquired in the first place.

Guns are necessary, but for fun? Nope.

I'm not a lawyer, and don't know what the law is about telling people to break the law, so to be clear, I'm not telling people to break the law.

But when you look back at history, sometimes people have had to break the law when it's fucking stupid, and make it unenforceable by popular will.

If you don't stand up before it's too late, then things will get worse.

These new laws at the state and federal levels are an affront to the principles of democracy and freedom of speech.

I hope that Sydney-siders do the ring thing this weekend.

Turns out: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-20/nsw-police-update-on-public-assembly-restriction-declaration-law/106248964

Bur it's dumb that the police have this power in the first place.

Libs still want to destroy it.

As is natural, for neoliberal capitalists.

They hate everything that's for the public good, instead of being run for a profit.

Fingers crossed the latest breakup of the coalition is permanent and the power vacuum shifts us (and hopefully the Labor party) further to the left.

politicians from the majors should hang their heads in shame over this

This implies that: 1. they have shame, and 2. they're not all profiting from the status quo.

Preference other left-wing parties, I would suggest.

It seems to me they are saying that the community massively under-appreicates how much death and danger we accept from the use of cars.

And that our cities are STILL being designed for cars, despite decades of evidence that it's a dumb idea (with some decent urban planning sprinkled in from time to time).

Australia has massive car-brain.

This death was assisted by that, because we don't design our cities properly.

Cars kill. And people need to wake up to that, especially when they're behind the wheel, which many have no choice but to do because of the design of our cities.

Edit: also this particular commenter (not the other stupid pro-gun idiots) does not seem to be advocating for guns.

If I had my way, we'd restrict guns even more than the new laws have.

Recreation is not a legitimate use for a gun.

The number of guns you need for recreation is zero. Get a different hobby ffs.

We should limit the number of guns for recreation to zero. It's honestly dumb it's allowed at all.

There are legitimate uses for guns, "fun" is not one of them.

gun number limit is also a kneejerk reaction

Please explain how limiting how many guns people can have isn't sensible.

Honestly, why do we allow "recreation" as a legitimate reason at all? Like, sorry, but when a hobby endangers the community, then it should be allowed. People will mental gymnastic a reason why it's unfair to stop them enjoying their hobby, but I remain rather unconvinced.

I'm not across the new laws, but the limiting the number of guns someone can legally own part just doesn't scream knee-jerk to me.

"legally it would be considered a civil matter"

One wonders how the officers on duty in that police station got their jobs.

Any reasonable person would consider this to be harassment, warranting a restraining order at least.

I'd argue it's even deeper than this. This is just naturally what happens under a privatised health system. Doctors charging whatever they like because there aren't enough public specialists and so the queue is long.

I'd argue we need to end the rebate system, either you go be private and get absolutely zero from the government, and keep the laws in place that make it impossible for private health insurance to cover these visits too (I'm against any private health, but trying to make it more palatable of a change).

Everyone else, should join the public system, which we should properly fund, and they can collectively bargain for better conditions like any other public servant.

Keep wages and conditions competitive so we don't lose people to overseas too much.

This subsidy system is always gonna have this stupid cat and mouse of rebates not keeping up with the market rates of what doctors are charging.