They don't have to have read Lenin mate. They are doing what any resistance force would do when faced with generations of settler colonialism, apartheid, and genocide.
The material actions of a group and how they resist imperialism are what we define them by.
I had a similar response and then saw your comment later after I wrote mine. Just wanted to say I agree and maybe have a shared "annoyance" with the commenter that you have (not really them individually but more what narrative they are repeating from MSM).
I focused more on trying to agree with the aesthetics of liberals like this while also pointing to why what they do is unhelpful. I don't know if it connects. I try to push them in the right direction.
From your comment Id assume you're not American. So, I just wanted to give you some hope. There are a small minority of us that have learned from the past. A small minority that understand historical materialism and how to apply it to what we see today.
And, even more so, there are a lot of the population saying "no" out of instinct. Seeing the repeated history of the US and it's lies and just going with a gut feeling of distrust. I know it's not not much. But it is something.
Idk where I was going with this response. But I understand your frustration when someone tries to use civil rights suppression to justify literally bombing that didnt threaten us in anyway.
We just get verbatim talking points from 2003; that I heard at 12 years old and was skeptical of even then. My best friends joined the military soon after and I did not. Out of "instinct" and nothing more. So, I'd say that "instinct" during this new generation is even stronger. It's something. Something I hope is strong enough for a better world in the future. Maybe in the shade of the trees that we plant but never get to enjoy.
Dude. I don't disagree but this is not helpful. What's helpful is acknowledging that none of that matters to the US. Our greatest allies in the region have all of what you listed and more.
All this sentiment does is manufacture concent for this war. There is one constant factor in the west asia. A constant that continues to keep countries from being able to have civil rights movements, keeps their citizens impoverished, keeps dictatorships and monarchs in power while everyday people suffer.
That constant is US intervention and disruption of the region. Intervention against evil authoritarian rule only when that countries rulers don't allow US exploitation or threaten it's imperialist interest.
It serves no purpose what you're doing. Otherwise I think you should be more concerned about the US arming Saudi Arabia or Israel. Both of those countries have significantly more innocent people slaughtered under their rule.
Iran and it's people will only know civil liberties and equal rights when they are given the stability to have those movements of their own.
Do you think the best thing for the US civil rights movement would have been a bombing campaign from Canada? No.
Please. Again, I don't defend Iran if we're talking about it in a bubble. But the world does not work like that. And comments like yours only manufacture consent for the invasion of a country that attacked no one without first being attacked. That's it. We don't need to try to pick apart anything more than that.
If you care about gay people in Iran. You should care about them being bombed. End of story. That should be everyone utmost focus right now. There is no gay person in Iran right now thinking "oh, finally the bombs of freedom reign!". No, they are thinking "oh fuck, I need to get me and my family and friends out of here"
Sorry, a bit of a rant. So much so that I came back to re-edit the comment later. But, right now, I think it's really important that we don't fall for this type of narrative. The fascist controlling America are doing everything they can to manufacture concent with the Liberals.
The intentions of your comment are good and correct. But they are only helpful in a vacuum outside of the war mongering fascism that is rising.
If the only threat to Iran was it's civil rights violations you'd be right. But the threat to Iran right now is it's population experiencing what Gaza has for the last 21 months. Something I pray they don't experience.
You literally started this with name-calling. Ignored everything I said. Then decided to hypocritically say I'm name-calling you when I used sarcasm.
Thanks mate. Thanks for not replying to anything I said and then doubling down on your ignorance with a dose of hypocrisy.
Yeah. Unfortunately it's been obvious to a lot of us for awhile that it would only come from the ashes of this country.
Some of us our trying. Unfortunately, the pacifying abilities of the US are still very strong. Even as material conditions decline.
This is the latest attempt to deal with the contradictions of capitalism.
We had amazing turnout for the "No Kings" protest. But that likely gave the well-off Liberals enough to feel like they did something for awhile. And most will still nod their heads in agreement with "dealing with Iran". The US is in need of a war to improve its economy it seems.
These fascist will grow more bold as the liberals start to see protests and threatening to the status quo they also enjoy. And the poor of this country seem to have just enough bread to keep them from targeting their violence at the right people.
I don't know what will happen. But we are definitely living through weeks where the decades happen right now. I just don't think it's going to end in a good place.
Google: Semitic People
Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East and the Horn of Africa, including Akkadians, Arabs, Arameans, Canaanites (Jews, Phoenicians, etc.) and Habesha peoples.
Google: "Racist Puppet Master Cartoon" and click images. You'll see a lot of the same type of a large nosed character "controlling" western leadership. Most famously this one.
You're the simpleton. You don't understand history or what words mean. This is just a non Jewish "Semitic" person being drawn in the same racist way that has been done in the past. The same type of otherization and racism is still being used today. Antisemitism against Arabs is just accepted by our society unfortunately.
Simpleton.
Do you have reading comprehension problems? I don't disagree with that. I put the blame on the ruling class of our country. That's literally what my original comment was explaining. Doesn't mean I'm not going to point out the class traitors along the way. Police and military are welcome when they step down from their positions of violence on the working class of this world. Until then. They actively work to hurt the most impoverished people in the world and I will always call them out for it.
The vast vast majority of poor people in this world do not make a conscious decision to hurt others even if it would benefit them. But you seem to be focused on defending the police and military of the US that actively cause harm to those in poverty.
You're advocating for the continuing of the very systems of violence that keep people in poverty in the first place.
Yeah, you're just justifying serving a terrorist organization. These same things could be said of people that join ISIS if you wanted to make excuses. And those people have much more dire circumstances than anyone that lives in the US ever could.
I'm sure you'd have this same moral gray area discussion when ISIS kills innocent people. /s
Just because someone can click a button on a controller or do paper pushing for a terrorist organization doesn't mean they are any less of terrorist.
I'm sure you'd make the same moral gray argument for the person that booked the tickets for flight 93. They were clearly just doing paperwork.
I guess the only people in poverty are in the west. I guess all the people in the poorest countries in the world are ok with getting bombed for decades so we can have a jobs program.
We can have a jobs program without bombing poor and impoverished countries mate.
The irony of saying I'm disconnected from poverty. I'm literally advocating to stop murdering the poorest countries and people on our planet.
I'm not attacking people that join. I'm critizing people that have joined, served, and still advocate for it because it "pays for college". Like, serving a military that causes the deaths countless innocents and disrupts the stability of entire nations is somehow ok because of that?
No. I respect those that served, learned, and advocate against it wholeheartedly.
I mean, no shit. The goal was never the actual wall. The goal was what the wall represented. To be able to arrest, oppress, and "remove" any brown person they wanted.
We're already at the Home Depot parking lot arrest and we're not even 6 months in. If liberals keeps talking about the wall as if it's a hypocrisy that will sway Trump supporters they'll lose that battle.
It was never about a wall. It was about bringing fascism to America. And that wall is taller than anything Texas could ever build.
Please stop thinking you'll fight fascism with liberal "gotchas" of hypocrisy. That's far behind us. If you're not on the streets with a sign then at least just keep your focus in the right place.
Focus on the HARM that is being done. Not some fake promise of a wall that no one ever cared about beyond the aesthetics and it's symbolism.
Tell your parents about the nice guy are home depot that helped you move your couch. That got taken by ICE for just trying to make a living. These personal stories resonate with that generation.
But no one cares about a dumb ass wall. MAGA never did. And if you think they did you missed the the point and the appeal of Trump entirely.