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[-] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 143 points 1 week ago

Remember when Obama got them to abandon their nuclear programs and then Trump fucked it up?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[-] meeeeetch@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

When did it become 2003 again? And why is it one letter off from the way I remember it?

[-] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

are you saying america is about to invade Iran, then three months later declare "mission accomplished", then have a military presence there for 20 years while they set up a new government which is just as corrupt as the previous one?

[-] meeeeetch@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm saying 'Ira[x] bought a bunch of uranium from Niger' sounds awfully familiar.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Irax sounds like a scifi writer really should try harder with the real world parallels

[-] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago
[-] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

Yeah, but how are they fixed for aluminum tubes?

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

I think that's being optimistic, after Iraq no one is going to trust the US enough to not instantly screw over the opposition just as hard as the government they're over throwing.

The only reason Bush had the opportunity to declare mission accomplished is because the majority of the Iraqi military gave up before/during the invasion because we cut deals with the Baathist, and then immediately turned on them.

When Bremer made being part of the Baathist party illegal, he basically outlawed anyone with a college degree in the country from joining the new government, and instantly turned the people who betrayed sadam in Iraqi army into a militant.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

You say that like Bremer and Bush didn't know that's exactly what would happen.

Shit I'm still bitter about that decision 21 years later.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

Tbf, I don't know if Bush knew about the eventual consequences of the action before hand. Not that it absolves him of any responsibility. However, I think that was near the time where he was just hanging at Camp David for weeks on end and letting Cheney and Rumsfeld run the show.

But yeah, the Bush administration appointed Bremer to the CPA specifically to disband the Baathist party and the Iraqi military.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

At the time it was an order of three things. They disbanded the nascent Iraqi National Guard we were training; they forced all reconstruction contracts to go through American contractors; and they banned any Baath party member from public employment and contracts with the coalition/government.

A first year political science student can see where that's headed. I was a 19 year old Infantry private and I saw what that was going to do. Of course, I also saw the protests and was present for the meetings where locals told our commanders this was going to cause violence because if we didn't rescind it, because it left large swaths of the population with no legitimate way to provide for their family. But there's more information that isn't widely publicized. We had been making an effort to sit on the ammo and ordnance stockpiles to prevent any post war partisan activity. By the end of the summer we had been called off of those and told locals would secure them. Nobody would take responsibility for the order either, just "came down from on high".

We were absolutely setup as sacrificial lambs to the election cycle back home. Bush got a second term, and to be fair he probably would have if he brought us home right away too. But they didn't run a former pilot and POW in 2008 by chance. It's purely his choice of VP that tanked his chances. They wanted to foster instability right through the 2008 election. It left us with ISIS forming in the western Iraq desert and killed any chance of getting rid of the Taliban in Afghanistan. (By 2008 they were properly regrouped in Pashtunistan and no amount of combat operations would dislodge them again.) So they effectively sacrificed an entire country on the altar of domestic politics. I'm convinced they wouldn't have cared if Iraq had fallen to ISIS either, just another reason to vote for the chicken hawks in their book.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 6 points 1 week ago

Maybe they could just not arm IS this time

[-] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

They'll just train and arm an entirely different group of right-wing fundamentalists.

[-] essell@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Is it like when you concentrate orange juice by removing the water?

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 21 points 1 week ago

What they bought was yellowcake, which is uranium ore with most of the non-uranium stuff removed, so... yeah, basically.

This is distinct from enrichment, which is when you turn one isotope of uranium into another one which does fission better

[-] essell@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Is enrichment turning one isotope into another or when you separate out the different isotopes?

I know Iran has centrifuge technology for this became Mossad sabotaged them a while back.

[-] Gladaed@feddit.de 13 points 1 week ago

Enrichment is sorting. Breeding is isotope conversion and done in a reactor. (Fast breeding reactor)

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

That wasn't mossad, that was stuxnet from the US. It caused the centrifuges to over speed and break often with associated injury.

People hear centrifuges and they think those little table top deals you messed with in chemistry class. These are not those, these are high speed multiple story structures.



I'll try to find the video but floating around out there somewhere there's a video of one of the centrifuges overspeeding and essentially exploding.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago

Nah they just gave it a lot of Ritalin.

[-] vatniksplatnik@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I cast "Stuxnet" at Level 10

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

Oh man, breeder reactors! Only 90s kids will remember.

[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Guess it’s time for some more Olympic Games

this post was submitted on 11 Jun 2024
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