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[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 161 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This is what happens when a company has no diversity. Most companies dogfood their own production. Reminds me of Google's gorilla situation...

[–] Hubi@lemmy.world 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This happens even on newer Toyotas, so it's not exactly company-specific. The issue is the biased training data used for the face recognition system.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

This seems more like an excuse. All these companies aren't using the same training data.

They literally never tested this on an asian person before selling in the vehicle...

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Toyota is a japanese manufacturer. Likely they localize the feature and the localized version has the problem. Its completely possible they all contract the same software vendors in the US for certification reasons, resulting in similar problems.

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[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Your claim is a Japanese company never tested on Asian people? Would you place a bet on those odds?

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago

Toyota in the US is more American than most American car companies. The tech being different isn't that big of a stretch.

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[–] kadotux@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Google's gorilla situation?

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Toyota is literally Japanese

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 years ago

Nikon is too

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That’s what I was thinking. How did this slip by? If I recall correctly, Toyota is better than average when it comes to quality control. This is Boeing-level laziness/incompetence.

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[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 135 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Classic case of OWPITTS (only white people in the training set).

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I am guessing the car wasn't made by Subaru or Nissan and is from Ford, GMC, Tesla, BMW, or Mercedes.

[–] Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 years ago (3 children)

My Subaru has a driver attention feature that's constantly going off if I sit up straight because I'm too tall 🫠

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] K4mpfie@feddit.de 13 points 2 years ago

Classic case of OSPITTS (only small people in the training set).

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 2 years ago
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[–] ClockworkN@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There's an episode of American Auto where they make a self-driving car that can't see black people. It's a good show. Check it out.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Sounds like a similar episode of Better Off Ted. Also a great show that only got 2 seasons.

[–] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 years ago

It's all fun and games until the octochicken comes down from its web.

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[–] shadowbroker@lemm.ee 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What does the system do when you wear sunglasses?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Automatically voids the warranty

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[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 53 points 2 years ago (11 children)

My car keeps screaming at me to keep my hands on the wheel, WHILE I'M FUCKING HOLDING IT.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

Dude. I'm never buying a new car. That shit is insane.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

You black with a black steering wheel or white with a white one?

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My car's lane assist deactivates if the road is too straight because I haven't moved the steering wheel in too long. The only way to get it back is to swerve a bit.

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[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lol just like the old Xbox Kinect failing miserably at seeing dark skinned black people correctly or at all

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[–] sudo42@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There’s a Better Off Ted episode that hilariously addressed this issue.

[–] Spur4383@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

That show should have more seasons.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

Sorry asians. You know what you have to do.

[–] knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

My Ford transit kept telling me to pull over to rest. It was a windy day.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My wife's Asian and only been driving 3-years. LMFAO, she would be a shaking crying mess if the car kept yelling at her to pay attention.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Car manufacturer tried to make a safer and more attentive driver through monitor and warning systems, accidentally causes crippling anxiety instead.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm sure it is possible to disable this feature?

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

company vehicle. might not be allowed to for insurance reasons. 🤷‍♂️

[–] magikmw@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The fun part is, company will get a higher premium after they go through data from that car and it's "sleepy" driver.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 13 points 2 years ago

Sue the company for racism and creating a hostile work environment.

I’m not sure how serious I am.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You'd think they'd have learned from all the cameras that can't see black people....

This is racist as shit.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's actually probably not racist as shit.

I'm white with larger eyes. My car tells me the same thing. Constantly.

Yes I understand that facial recognition software is usually racist as shit, but this particular situation may just be shitty software rather than racist shitty software.

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[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

I remember this episode from Better Off Ted.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Can people see why "DEI" programs are genuinely good things yet?

[–] fishbone@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Just in case anyone doesn't know the acronym: DEI is Diversity, equity, and inclusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion

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[–] smb@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago

i'ld try to stick some googly eyes on a headband to wear when driving. if it does not help, its at least good for a selfie.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 12 points 2 years ago (5 children)
[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

My white guy sucks

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There has to be a way to calibrate it, no? Something like this can't be designed without setting a baseline, and surely there's a ton of variance.

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