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[-] MudMan@fedia.io 34 points 5 months ago

I tried last week. Bunch of stuff in my system didn't work out of the gate, trying to use fixes that were meant for slightly different hardware/distro combos broke it further. Ultimately it became trying to start over or going back to the default Windows install.

So anyway, I'm using Windows on that machine now. How's your week been?

[-] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

At least you tried! And annoying that you stumbled upon hw issues.

If you ever want to try again what about getting hold of an old drive, or try dual boot, then you can swap back to windows easily and there's less pressure for Linux to work out of the box.

As you say the guides you used didn't match, try and research more about what is the correct distro for you, and maybe start with one that looks like a sure bet.

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[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

You still have Windows? Well there's your problem, you're supposed to format the entire drive when installing Linux..

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 15 points 5 months ago

Oh, that was absolutely not my problem. The "crashing whenever it was put to sleep" part was my problem. The distro I tried was pretty good about wiping and repartitioning the drive I gave it without messing with anything else, actually. Gotta give it to Linux devs, at least at this point they fully acknowledge that "just checking this out to see if I like it" is a major use case.

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[-] Vitaly@feddit.uk 5 points 5 months ago

What distro did you use? and what gpu?

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[-] h_ramus@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

Windows runs my laptop harder, uses more battery and the fans are spinning a lot of times whist it runs almost silent in Linux. I've settled on EndeavourOS which has given me a headache-free experience for my hardware (lenovo yoga pro 7 7840hs). Only keep widows for BIOS updates otherwise I'd have nuked that hodge podge of software melange.

If you're really set on windows you could try tiny11 to remove most of the bloat.

[-] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

the fans are spinning a lot of times whist it runs almost silent in Linux

In my experience that is because Linux (or whatever part of it that’s responsible) will only start cooling if it absolutely has to. Otherwise it’s happy to cook my laptop at 92°C.

I’ve just finished reinstalling mint after applying a fix that was supposed to let me control the fans fucked up xOrg beyond repair. Multi-monitor setup is broken. On Ubuntu I couldn’t even get the Wifi to work. Manjaro refused to update packages because after installing a usual 300+ package update surge, suddenly everything was in conflict with each other. On all distros I needed to edit a config file so external speakers wouldn’t hum at full volume when no sound was playing.

Even with the supposedly ‘easy’ distros, Linux still isn’t an everyman’s operating system.

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[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Boys, I tried. But I couldn't get HDR working properly in KDE, the kernel kept randomly locking up to the point where even REISUB didn't do anything, and 95% of my GPU settings were missing from the Nvidia X Server app and I couldn't get most of them restored.

Linux users look at me like I'm insane when I ask where the RTX Video Enhancement and 3D settings are. Half the reason why I bought an RTX GPU was for the video enhancement features like SDR to HDR conversion and AI upscaling, yet these features simply don't exist in Linux. And when it comes to the 3D settings, "just change the graphics settings in-game", I've seen people say, failing to realize that the vast majority of games are missing several graphics settings that are in the 3D settings screen. I go into that menu and make tweaks before I play anything. It's a make-or-break feature for me.

I'm sorry but Linux still hasn't caught up enough with Windows yet in the gaming and HDR realm for me to commit to an OS change. But if you have an AMD GPU and don't have an HDR display, I'm sure it's a wonderful gaming experience for you. I'll check back again in another 5 years.

[-] Huschke@programming.dev 12 points 5 months ago

You're absolutely right that Linux is still missing a lot of the features that are available on Windows. But the freedom you get with it is so worth it for me, even if my 4090 is bored most of the time.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I just wish Linux partisans would acknowledge that Linux has serious shortcomings rather than constantly shouting about how there is literally no reason to ever use Windows.

I greatly prefer Linux for tasks like software development, but when I sit down to pay a game, I don't want to have to debug it first.

[-] Huschke@programming.dev 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

To be fair, if you do not care about the newest iteration of whatever Nvidia is up to (Frame Generation, RTX HDR, etc.) and don't play games with kernel-level anti-cheat systems, there are really no issues with gaming on Linux these days - at least in my experience.

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[-] Ziglin@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

It has no shortcomings if you have infinite time to write your own patches first. That's something you can't legally do on windows.

Theoretically almost all shortcomings can be overcome apart from the time you spend.

Realistically there are a few shortcomings but for me they are barely noticeable and the customisability and package managers more than make up for any troubles I personally run into. And it's foss.

I only recommend Linux to people who are in similar situations to me. Unfortunately most people I know use some windows only games or share the device with others and are scared of messing up the installation.

I mostly jokingly recommend it whenever someone complains about Microsoft messing something up for them, encountering a problem and not finding out why it's happening.

[-] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Of course Linux has shortcomings.
But compared to Windows, it's still the vastly better OS regarding compatibility, UI, UX, user friendliness and overall functionality. At least for me and my use cases (I use it for browsing, gaming, office, photo editing and as a streaming station).
You're mileage may vary.

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[-] bitwaba@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Currently supported feature sets on Linux cover 90% of the general computer using population's requirements. Linux has shortcomings on features that most people don't even have access to based on their existing hardware.

[-] RockaiE@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

I'm in the same boat as you. I really wanted to switch. I had Ubuntu 20.04 installed on a partition from a previous attempt to convert. Installed all the software I needed, mapped my NAS, and then hit a huge roadblock when trying to connect my laser cutter.

Found plenty of support pages that all agree on possible issues related to either drivers or dial out access, but nothing worked. I researched and tried everything I found. So many USB drivers, a few different driver and package utilities and even drivers from repositories I came across on some Chinese websites that I had to translate and appeared to be related.

I got to a point that I thought a clean install might help. Uninstalled Ubuntu 20.04, installed Mint, tried everything again, uninstalled Mint, and finally installed Ubuntu 22.04. I spent 3 full days pushing back projects trying to communicate with my laser, but finally got to the point that I was going to miss deadlines if I didn't start running projects.

Booted up Windows and had no issues connecting and running. I was even able to drag in a second windows laptop that had never been used with the laser before, and it just worked immediately.

I wish I could make the jump from Windows.

[-] Ziglin@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

I think most Linux users (including me) are just cheap and don't even have hdr. One of my two monitors has a dent in frame and has one DVI port and power. I think a lot of the maintainers are similar and therefore don't prioritise problems they don't have yet.

I think it's a real shame how bad the Nvidia experience can be but at this point I've found that if the drivers from the arch repos don't work nicely the flatpak ones usually will. Wayland is of course still a problem for now but hopefully not for long.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

Half the reason why I bought an RTX GPU was for the video enhancement features like SDR to HDR conversion and AI upscaling

Neither of those things have anything to do with raytracing. Well the tensor cores used for denoising in RT workloads are suitable for all kinds of AI workloads and thus also upscaling, but really it hasn't got to do anything with raytracing. Or AI in particular any GPU can do convolutions.

I don't own an nvidia card and honestly few linux users do because their driver support sucks, I'd say if nvidia advertised those features and their linux drivers don't have them your complaints should be directed at nvidia. They won't care.

Meanwhile, mpv does inverse tone mapping natively. They don't integrate AI upscaling but there's various projects providing glsl shaders which mpv can use, here's the configs for Anime4K. There's also frame interpolation around somewhere but I haven't used it in ages because variable refresh rate is the best solution to odd frame rates.

Development of X halted, the few patches that are still landing concern xwayland, don't expect anything to happen there. KDE 6.0 ships with experimental HDR support on wayland, you might not need to wait five years go give a live USB stick a spin. Arch wiki has some pointers (not that I'd be recommending arch but I am recommending their wiki).

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[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

I'm trying a new approach. Since I won't touch anything beyond W10, and W10 is getting officially phased out, I just informed people that I won't provide tech support for W11 and beyond.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 months ago

I mean, I literally can't. I barely used W10, I just flat out am unable to provide tech support, you might get lucky and I'll figure it out but that's the best I've got.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 14 points 5 months ago

I really, really hate this picture. Everything is wrong with it. The pleading eyes to what can only be assumed is the adult behind the camera makes it extra bad.

[-] Krafting@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

It's from a french tv documentary : https://youtu.be/Bk0iLlNTmVc?si=xptTU3Ay1cpeN2O4&t=3651

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 10 points 5 months ago

Oh, well, if they're French

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[-] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 5 months ago

ha I already am (Android)

!i actually daily-drive fedora on my laptop!<

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

IT PUTS ON THE UNIX SOCKS

[-] ghostblackout@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

But I use Linux too. I use arch

[-] Screemu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 5 months ago

You're fine then. That's like beating yourself.

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 5 points 5 months ago

Remember when that time traveler posted Gibby with a Stop Sign memes about Queen Elizabeth's death but due to the nature of butterfly effects she lived another few years? Good times.

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[-] geography082@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

For me, The day of become a full Linux user is coming, now that steam os and all related projects are in a high speed .

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[-] Vrases@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

I wish I could. I've been trying with mint but it won't boot into it except the first time. Then I had to keep formatting the usbs and one USB said it had 4 mb instead of the 32 gigs

[-] kionite231@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

Try to format the USB, it will solve the issue.

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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Sounds like you didn't prepare the USB stick correctly. Just use Balena Etcher to do it.

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[-] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

Hey if you can get my laptop to boot from a liveusb then by all means

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