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[–] onlooker@lemmy.ml 71 points 2 years ago (2 children)

All that talk about how Xbox is investing in the Japanese market and then they close the one prominent Japanese studio that they own. The same one that, as the article points out, made Hi-Fi Rush which was "a break out hit". What the hell, Microsoft.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

It's not about making good games. It's about acquiring assets then liquidating them, marking them as a loss.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Microsoft have been doing this for decaces, they're low key known for aquiring good IPs and then just shuttering them forever.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Maybe they hired Google execs.

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 59 points 2 years ago

Tango closed cause it was the one of the only studios under Zenimax that wasn't currently making a game with "executive producer: Todd Howard" squirted all over it

[–] AsherahTheEnd@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

AAA gaming is doomed, it has been irreversibly tainted by capitalism and I don't think it can recover. Indie games are where it's at, typically higher quality and much cheaper. It's shameful how terrible most AAA games are nowadays because they have to put in excuses for microtransactions. It's depressing but I think we're truly entering a golden age for indies and other smaller budget games.

[–] Muffi@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago

I've been playing the Hades 2 beta recently, and I keep thinking about how incredible it is that this game is already better than any AAA title I've played in the last like 8 years. And it's still in beta and made by just 23 people. Call of Duty, FIFA and the like will keep the big studios running for a while, but indie has definitely overtaken the industry and I'm all for it.

[–] PunkiBas@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Such a waste of talent!

I just heard a podcast from 'better offline' titled 'how managers are breaking the internet' and he calls these kinds of things 'the rot economy', kind of like enshitification but it happens when some completely disconnected suit takes over projects from passionate developers and brings the whole thing to the ground with their 'line must go up' mentality.

I'd say it's exactly whats happening here.

[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ed Zitron is on a rampage against consultants and managers breaking the industry and I'm all here for it.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Definitely started following his posts after his google search piece, he is now hunting rabbits.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Before I read this, let me guess: publicly traded or ultimately owned by an entity that is publicly traded?

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] JaN0h4ck@feddit.de 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 28 points 2 years ago

You're right. So, the problem is working for a publicly traded company, IMO.

Devs have to either unionize, join private gaming companies, indie gaming companies, or band together and make their own.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Arkane Austin is understandable; nobody bought Prey and Redfall was a disaster.

[–] patchexempt@lemmy.zip 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it's a shame because Prey was one of the best games of the decade.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Prey retroactively devaluaed Dishonored for me - as amazing as those were at their time, Prey showed what really could be obtained from the formula, and perfected every aspect of it.

[–] darthsid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Controversially - I loved Dishonoured and the sequel but couldn’t figure out Prey

[–] ClaireDeLuna@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Arkane games are always those games that require the "click" to enjoy.

I started every single Arkane title and stopped it for months before the world and what not pulled me back. That second time I finally get it and enjoy the hell out of the game more than before.

[–] SmoothOperator@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same. Prey feels much more related to Bioshock than Dishonored to me. Never could get into Bioshock.

[–] ClaireDeLuna@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's far more different than BioShock. BioShock is imo a linear shooter I never understood the "immersive sim" tag for BioShock. But Prey is non linear within a space station. You can break away from the main task whenever you want and investigate other things which all play into the main story. You can play Prey 10-20 times and have a different journey each time if you try. The Gloo Gun, Mimicry, etc are all things that allow you to play differently each time and find unique new paths. Talos 1 is chock full of details. The only similarity with BioShock is the reveal, the wrench, and some minor combat similarities. But it's far more than that.

[–] MurrayL@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I think BioShock just got grandfathered in through its System Shock lineage.

[–] SmoothOperator@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

It's for sure not the same as BioShock, with traversal and exploration the biggest difference, but it has similar vibes, at least as far as I have played. And at least in comparison with Dishonored.

You're (mostly) alone in a giant, isolated station where a terrible disaster has happened, and must inject yourself with magic goo to be able to handle it's warped former inhabitants. There's definitely more of a stealth vibe than in Bioshock, but the feeling was similar for me.

In contrast, Dishonored takes place all over a crowded city with regular interactions between NPC's which you can manipulate from the shadows. Most enemies can be killed or KO'd very straightforwardly, and there's just much more of a revenge power fantasy about it.

But I digress. I can understand the comparisons to Dishonored, they just aren't that similar in my mind.

[–] bananabenana@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Oh same here. Great way to put it. Prey is a masterpiece

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Should have called it Neuroshock as it would have been a great tie with the other "shock" immersive sims

We were still reeling the loss of Prey 2 and the political duplicity that may or may not have happened with Bethesda and Human Head which resulted in the cancellation.

Calling it "Prey" was fucking poison

[–] Shadowedcross@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah, you see, the issue is that it wasn't profitable enough. You just gotta try harder, devs, it's easy.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's crazy though, they plopped HFH on the store the day it was announced with no marketing push, it became a critical and audience darling and execs said it was a breakout hit.

What else do you need to stay alive in this industry? Insomniac made one of the best selling games of the year and got rewarded by getting 10% of its workforce cut.

[–] Yttra@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I wonder if a number of those people playing it day 1 on gamepass affected their numbers, because there's no way they didn't account for GP downloads...

Maybe it didn't bring enough new GP subscribers in addition to sales...?

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

publishers are a scam

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

This really reminds me of the latest wendover video. It seems like large companies see small studios as an investment and take any chance to cash out and fire everyone as soon as it’s hurting their short term profits.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They made Redfall, it doesn’t matter if their last game was Super Mario Galaxy. Releasing a single bad flop like that and all of a sudden you need to split the $127 profit with your 60 employees that just spent 5 years making a pile of micro-transactional shovelware.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hell even the super successful Baldur 3 is apparently not successful enough to have further development.

[–] WolfLink@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

?

Larion Studios is still doing fine. They’ve decided to pursue their own IP rather than continue to work with a 3rd party’s.