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Honestly its rude to be invited by a country to meet their president who decided to respond to your criticisms of their administration only to not show up and go meet the opposition.

Being invided and then no showing shows complete disregard to basic diplomatic Etiquette since it was a mission to show solidarity against the embargo

Bonus socdems being cringe part 4.5: about another member that didnt show up to the presidential meeting

Deeply unserious people

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[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 48 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

In general this is something I notice among the western left. They call themselves communists, but actually hate and disagree with the social and economic policies that every single AES country led by a communist or socialist party has tried to implement or actually implemented. I notice it a bit on hexbear too. AES countries are actually attempting to build an equitable society, as a country is first and foremost a society. This means actually wielding political power and making controversial decisions. And even when the western left and an AES state agree on a policy, the western left will still find a way to say the very policy they agree with is actually bad all of a sudden. See the comments on Cuba's family code.

Also for those in the West who critise the economic systems of AES states, you will have to take the very same steps as these AES countries on the long road to socialism if you plan to seize state power.

Nevertheless, the establishment of a state capitalist regime is unavoidable, and will remain so everywhere. The developed capitalist countries themselves will not be able to enter a socialist path (which is not on the visible agenda today) without passing through this first stage. It is the preliminary phase in the potential commitment of any society to liberating itself from historical capitalism on the long route to socialism/communism. Socialization and reorganization of the economic system at all levels, from the firm (the elementary unit) to the nation and the world, require a lengthy struggle during an historical time period that cannot be foreshortened.

[-] Sebrof@hexbear.net 48 points 5 months ago

Pretty much every local communist group I've tried to be active in has this problem. They always have to sprinkle in something about Chinese or Soviet Imperialism, then (no surprise) tell us that Palestinians should join with Israel workers, and same for Ukrainian and Russians. No real understanding of anti imperialism and what forms it will take. Always finding a reason why we can't support any real concrete opposition to western hegemony.

One of these communist groups even told me that South Africa today is just as bad, if not worse, than when under Apartheid. And they also hated the Black Panthers.

So much work needs to be done in the West.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

One of these communist groups even told me that South Africa today is just as bad, if not worse, than when under Apartheid.

That's not communist that's just reactionary and chud talking points. I've lived there for my entire life as a "born free" (born after the end of apartheid which happened in 1994) , it is most definitely not as bad as apartheid. I've heard the stories from older people, the country is better now in many ways. South Africa is just a third world/global south country with those kind of problems. From corruption to crime to unemployment to failing state infrastructure.

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[-] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 5 months ago

And they also hated the Black Panthers.

Any org/group whatever that hates the BPP are reactionaries and should never be trusted.

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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

In general this is something I notice among the western left. They call themselves communists, but actually hate and disagree with the social and economic policies that every single AES country led by a communist or socialist party has tried to implement or actually implemented. I notice it a bit on hexbear too.

The theory of communism that I've constructed in my very special, unique, pure, leftist brain that is free of propaganda is superior to whatever hard work actual people out in the actual world are doing to construct a better world. /s

The hurdle that I had to jump over when I progressed from socialism to communism was this exact one. Around 2019-2020ish, I had gifted kid brainworms, heightened by my university degree, that were still writhing around in there about how I was the smartest and specialest politics and geopolitics understander the world had ever seen.

Only once I purged those brainworms and realized that I am actually an online Westerner who doesn't really know shit about fuck; once I realized I was full of assumptions about what socialism and communism and anti-imperialism and democracy should be, rather than how they actually manifest in the real world; once I realized that I have been poisoned by individualism at a fundamental level since I was born into society and needed to accept that my opinions really just aren't that important, especially to those doing the work of anti-imperialism like Hamas or Cuba or the DPRK; once I accepted that I should learn and listen to what people on the ground were saying and not just sit in a hermetically sealed online treatbubble, could I fully say I was a communist

[-] Sons_of_Ferrix@hexbear.net 46 points 5 months ago

credibly accused of authoritarianism

Shut the fuck up!

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[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 42 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I mean, singling these losers out is cool, but it seems weird to call out all of DSA for the ugly behavior of these two bad actors. After all, this is a statement coming from within DSA. Its not coming from the Cubans themselves. The fucking President took time to meet with them, which would seem to suggest Cuban organizers are largely supportive of these outreach efforts.

Giving these two tickets was a mistake. But organizing the trip, getting Americans to visit the island, and putting them face-to-face with a bonafide AES state leader should be a huge mark in DSA's favor.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 33 points 5 months ago

I'll call out all of the DSA for wasting everyones time and energy giving life support to DNC instead of growing the PSL or Greens.

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[-] Walk_On@hexbear.net 41 points 5 months ago

I don’t understand how anyone can take a person like this seriously.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 40 points 5 months ago

Everyone is all "join an org" but this is literally every fucking org in the US

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[-] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 35 points 5 months ago

Class struggle in the society inevitably has its reflection inside the Party, and it appears in a concentrated fashion in the form of the two-line struggle within the Party - this is also an objective law. The reason why there can be no doubt that class struggle in society has its reflection in the Party is that our Party does not live in a vacuum, but in a society in which classes exist, and it is possible for bourgeois ideology, the force of old habits and international revisionist trends of thought to affect and poison our Party organism.

red-sun

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 35 points 5 months ago

Western "leftists" are so goofy, it's legitimately embarassing. Who turns down an option to meet a head of state, period, especially one willing to discuss your personally listed grievances? Clown shit.

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[-] Fishroot@hexbear.net 33 points 5 months ago

Westerners nods at when they need to sit down and listen to marginalized voices when they actually have to do it for real

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