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[–] thattysonguy@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're asking the wrong people. Everyone on here are sweaty for Linux.

[–] pexavc@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Isn’t that the tech tips YouTube guy? What does he have to do with selling 11 windows

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought it was funny, friend.

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[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Especially_the_lies@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

looks at date of publication

That has got to be one of the timeliness answers to a question I've ever seen on here. Thanks!

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[–] nurple@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The bloatware sucks but it takes <30 minutes after install to remove / disable all of it.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 33 points 1 year ago

A Windows version becomes considered "good" the exact moment a next version is released. No sooner, no later. Those are the rules.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's fine for Windows, I guess. They've made a bunch of UI improvements that I actually kind of liked. But they still try and force you to setup a Microsoft account when you install. And telemetry is hardly consensual. I think I turned off what I could by rooting around for privacy settings, but it still sends things like crash reports without asking.

I don't trust it. Just use it for games.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or don't even use it for games. Thanks to recent developments users finally have a choice.

[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 24 points 1 year ago

Since the question implies a change of state - I'm going to go with a no.

[–] darganon@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I have been using Windows 11 pro since it came out and it's fine. I'm not sure why windows is obsessed with trying to replace their older, functional menus with the new style settings apps (which usually just lead back to the old style ones) but I never get reinstalled bloat, ads, or anything remotely like people are complaining about.

For reference I do powershell for a living and use ArchLinux at work, and have windows 11 and arch machines at home, but use windows the most at home.

[–] milkjug@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Not until they bring back the “never combine” taskbar option. What a dumb idea to omit it for years and not expect push back. You had one job Microsoft.

[–] DrQuint@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For me the "can't believe they got rid of this" was removing the ability to move the taskbar to either side or to the top.

Remember when windows let you have a SQUARE taskbar in the middle of the screen? How far backwards we've managed to come.

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[–] drcouzelis@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nooooo so the task bar icons represent applications instead of individual windows? Ugh that's gonna bug me...

[–] milkjug@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Yes 🤦🏻‍♂️ if you have 16 spreadsheets open on your 16k humongous ultra duper wide, it will collapse all sixteen windows into one tiny icon on the taskbar.

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[–] martinbasic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I am using this (enabled with ViveTool) and they need to give us an option to standardize the width. It's so fuckin annoying to have your taskbar move around when you change tabs or songs. It's also annoying that short window titles get crunched down to a tiny button.

[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Oh man, I never even knew they had taken that away. I noped out the moment I heard they had removed the Quick Launch toolbar, but if not for that, the forced combining or tasks would have done the trick.

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[–] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Never will be my friend.

Use Linux.

[–] MercuryRiver@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Can't deal with the complexity of linux for simple things but I do think it's far superior, just not for me. So yeah I should have said vs other windows

[–] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Totally agree, battled with Windows 95 M8 (internship) and never wanted that junk on my own hardware.

Even my wife is using Linux. Most users don't use more then an office suite and a browser.

[–] nurple@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

There are mountains of software and hardware that aren’t compatible with Linux.

And when it’s mission critical or work related stuff you can’t afford to mess around with translation layers or virtualization.

[–] alokir@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on what you mean by decent.

For privacy it's shit, it collects a bunch of data that's sent to MS. It also serves text ads on the lock screen, which might annoy you.

They also push their own products too much, like Bing AI and Edge, and sometimes an update can mess with the default apps, wich is annoying.

If you don't care about those things it's fine, doesn't get too much in the way of you doing what you want to do most of the time. I use it mainly because of gaming, but I can't tell you much about its performance because I have a powerful PC so everything runs just fine.

The start menu was dumbed down recently to a poor KDE clone, but I personally don't mind since I wasn't using it anyway.

[–] MercuryRiver@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I guess I was asking broadly because last I heard anything about it was shortly after release when there was so many missing compatibilities, lots of things broken and unfinished, and everyone was hands down saying don't touch it with a ten foot pole. It sounds like it has gotten a little better, enough for some people to be fine with it, but by the majority of the replies it sounds like it still isn't "done" or is never going to be. All your information was helpful and I haven't read elsewhere so thanks!

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

I still can't drag files to the task bar to open them with a particular program. Tabs on file explorer are a thing, but they don't behave predictabily so I almost never use them.

Overall still feels like a downgrade, but I'd have updated regardless just to get the little "update available" message to go away

[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

No. I reverted back to Windows 10 Pro for my gaming machine after Windows 11 Pro prompted me that it was "international bubble tea day". Don't get me wrong, I love bubble tea, I just don't care for these distractions when I'm trying to use my PC.

[–] hurricane155@lemmyonline.com 10 points 1 year ago

I only changed from windows 11 to Linux mint there over the weekend. I was sick of having to update the laptop every day when I wanted to shut it down

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 8 points 1 year ago
[–] spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago
[–] mortalic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Bought days gone (game) on steam. Would not launch on windows 11. Tried to get a refund. But it had been two weeks. Launch d it on my steam deck and it worked great.

So. No.... It's sucks.

[–] Ocelot@lemmies.world 19 points 1 year ago

lol when a windows game wont launch on windows but works on linux. what a time to be alive.

My main gaming rig is 100% linux now. It gets better performance in most games than windows.

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

That sounds like an issue with Days Gone not Windows. I'm running fedora as my daily but that doesn't change the fact that every game I've played works on Windows out of the box, the same cannot be said for Linux.

[–] 9up999@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

It works fine. It's just you. The year of linux is every year.

[–] MercuryRiver@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah damn, if there's still a good chunk of games unsupported, its definitely not there yet

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

He's cherry picking or has some weird edge case issue. I have 20 year old games installed on Windows 11 that run fine. There are no compatibility issues with games on Windows 11

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[–] DeadSM@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep. Especially if you are just a regular user who likes gaming. Features like auto HDR and better support for 4k monitors are what made me love it over win 10. There are things that still annoy users but there is also a lot to like. I'm a fan of the centered Taskbar and the improvement to the right click menu.

Also if you are a power user there is always something you can download to fix annoyances. Just like Linux, win 10/7, there is always stuff to tweak and modify. If none of that really is your thing though you will be just fine as it has the easiest experience out of the box atm.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I got an ad even though I have all ad service things turned off. It came via my messages tray. It was for some screenshot app Microsoft wanted me to use.

If this doesn't answer your question, I can't be of much help.

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's fine for Windows. I highly recommend coughing up the money for the pro version so you actually control some of the OS, since MS decided to remove things like the group policy editor from regular users. You'll need that if you don't want Windows shoving updates down your throat all the time.

I like the UI more then Windows 10. I don't know why reddit had such a hard on for 10 but 11 is much faster and more responsive than 10 was.

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[–] coolasbreeze@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Only reasons for using it are games and work

Use tiny11 builder from ntdevlabs on GitHub and Chris Titus's windows toolkit (from GitHub too) to clean things up further. But if you are putting so much effort might as well use linux

[–] LongPigFlavor@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I use it on my gaming laptop and I like it. The UI looks more like my phone.

[–] krimson@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

I only use Windows for gaming, upgraded from 10 to 11 and have zero issues.

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