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Alt Text: post that says dripping testosterone levels in men since 1980s is the biggest crime of the century.

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[-] chalk46@fedia.io 103 points 7 months ago

I can't think of a more reliable source than testosteronedecline.com

[-] andrewth09@lemmy.world 69 points 7 months ago

From the website:

The truth is that [the] whole project is (most of the time) quite inaccurate and error-prone, and often involves way too little data to really make a judgment, despite my best efforts. It also involves my amateur method of “age-adjusting” the results to be comparable. So this whole project is quite inaccurate and shouldn’t be used for serious conclusions. But if you understand the inaccuracies involved, you still may find it interesting.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 63 points 7 months ago

“Listen, we know we’re full of shit, but that won’t stop your anti-trans uncle from posting our nonsense on Facebook.”

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 7 months ago

yeah, notably, estrogenincrease.com

[-] Gingernate@programming.dev 65 points 7 months ago

The real crime is that fit line hahahahah

[-] run_rabbit@lemmy.ca 62 points 7 months ago

A useful approximation of normal T levels in humans can be seen in present day hunter gatherers in Africa. The Hadza tribe was shown to have an average level of 151pmol/l, well below that of what we see in societies such as America. We can, therefore, argue that the reduction of T levels in modern man over the last few years is a shift back towards the norm.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2674347/#:~:text=Consistent%20with%20data%20from%20a,Hadza%20and%20the%20Datoga%2C%20respectively.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 54 points 7 months ago

That face when high testosterone turns out to be caused by lead in petrol.

[-] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 36 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

However, both populations experience suboptimal access to energy, and consequently maintain minimal levels of body fat and low BMI

You are citing a malnourished population.

Previous studies of non-western populations have revealed inconsistent associations between men's testosterone levels and paternal or marital status. | Twenty-seven Hadza participants | Eighty Datoga participants

This is a comparitively small study, and one which contradicts other bodies of research.

As with male birds, it seems likely that testosterone facilitates reproductive effort in the form of male–male competition and mate-seeking behaviour, both of which interfere with effective paternal care.

Given the increasing social atomisation of the west (see:average age of fatherhood, number of children had, divorce rates), the hypothesis proposed by this paper implies testosterone levels in the west should be increasing not decreasing.

Look, I get the desire to debunk redpillers, but when we're talking about a worldwide trendline in basic biology you're going to need more research than this to do so. The Male infertility crisis is a genuine problem field experts are extremely worried about, hence the need for research and coverage by the mainstream (to stop snake oil salesmen being the main point of contact for this issue).

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[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 20 points 7 months ago

They love to pretend that they're experts at biology but fail to grasp that it's fucking complicated. More isn't always better with hormones.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

But an enormous shift in hormone levels in an entire population is worthy of attention.

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[-] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

I can only infer the meaning of the graph but it seems to me that the sampling has increased which could shift the line as well.

[-] geekworking@lemmy.world 56 points 7 months ago

How much do you want to bet that the source is somebody trying to sell some sort of snake oil claiming to boost testosterone.

[-] shield_gengar@sh.itjust.works 25 points 7 months ago

His tag says he beat testicular cancer and now he help

Def selling something

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's a terrible graph anyway. The outliers haven't been removed and I completely don't understand the line of best fit that's been drawn because it appears to be squiggly. How can it be squiggly, it's a line of best fit, it's an approximation. Oh and making some of the points green does not increase their validity.

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[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 56 points 7 months ago

Whoever drew that wavy line has no idea what a regression is

[-] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 20 points 7 months ago

You are right it just looks like they used Excel + curve fitting.

[-] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

It's when your T levels regress, duh

[-] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

No it’s just R^7 regression! Testosterone levels will be negative by next week!

Edit: and male bodies were approximately 2000% testosterone in the 1940s!

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

if you ever feel down and redundant look at the degrees of freedom in this fit and feel better

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[-] chumbalumber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 7 months ago

It's clearly sexual selection; high testosterone results in early baldness, which in turn is deemed unattractive.

Thus, in order to save western society as we know it, we need to start worshipping bald men as the virile hotties we all know they truly are.

[-] groats_survivor@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

Nice try Larry David

[-] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 6 points 7 months ago

I will put my hand up as the symbol of bald sexiness..

I'm a bald bearded 6 foot man.

[-] Zacryon@feddit.de 9 points 7 months ago

Do you work in or near some chemical or nuclear industries or why do have 6 feet? /j

[-] chumbalumber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 7 months ago

Nice to meet you. I'm a 6-balled bearded footman.

[-] venoft@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

Wtf is happening with that fit?

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 26 points 7 months ago

Well you see, testosterone levels rose when Regan was elected, 9/11 happened, and The Apprentice launched.

It's basically science.

(this post was satire, and I'm sorry if it made anyone vomit)

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I love how redundant the degrees of freedom in that curve is "lets make it look like stience"

[-] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah, it would have looked better with just a straight line fit. And 2020 does seem "statistically different" than 1970.

Edit: to be clear though, if lower testosterone means I live longer and with more hair, I'm all for it! My kids seem to be normal enough.

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[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 16 points 7 months ago

Almost as if we don't live in a world where we need to have murder boners 247

[-] Mcballs1234@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago

Time to assemble the Femboy army

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[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

Isn't that good for alphas? Who's complaining?

[-] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago

Oh come on, everyone in normal countries knows that gun and tiny-penis truck ownership is directly correlated to miniscule genitalia, there's not really a surprise here

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I've been hording it. Sorry.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 7 months ago

Why isn't this getting more attention?

Um, cause it's not that big of news and you're hyping shit just to get clicks.

[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 7 points 7 months ago

A crime, no, concerning sure.

What is causing the drop?

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Lots of stuff.

https://www.medichecks.com/blogs/testosterone/why-do-gen-z-and-millennial-men-have-lower-testosterone

Tld;r:

Obesity, Microplastics, Fewer smokers, Stress and mental health problems, Tighter underwear, Diabetes, Higher indoor temperatures

[-] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

More sedentary lifestyle/not exercising

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

It's not a crime, it's just an annoying medical condition.

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