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USA vs Cuba (lemmy.ml)
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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 58 points 4 months ago

I’m not a fan of meme-level infographics of unsourced data.

US unemployment figures virtually never include those who have given up on looking for work, which is a drastic undercounting. Biden’s Misleading Unemployment Statistic

Who knows where the Cuban unemployment figure came from, or how it was calculated or the quality of the data.

[-] Rolder@reddthat.com 21 points 4 months ago

Some brief searching of my own tells me that, while the unemployment numbers are roughly correct, the actual pay for those jobs are so low that they have a rough time actually being able to afford anything. Like, minimum wage is 2100 Cuban Pesos per month, but one set of clothing costs about 9700 on average.

https://horizontecubano.law.columbia.edu/news/calculating-cost-living-Cuba

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[-] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 months ago

Mind posting the actual links to the sources?

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[-] Rolder@reddthat.com 24 points 4 months ago

Right, let’s ignore things like frequent blackouts (https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/cuba-turns-off-some-public-lighting-energy-crisis-worsens-2024-03-05/) and the fact that if you protest any decisions by the government you risk being locked up indefinitely (https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/cuba)

Surely signs of a stable government

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

As if the illegal embargo and the power infrastructure issues are unrelated 🙄

Human Rights Watch is part of The Human Rights Concern Troll Industrial Complex whose purpose is facilitating regime change.

[-] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago

Blackouts are certainly a thing, and for the middle class in USA that would be considered intolerable. However, for the poor in the USA who sometimes go without electricity for lack of payment, having access to healthcare and education in exchange for the occasional blackout might be worth the trade.

As for speaking out against the government, citizens may not be incarcerated for speaking out (unless it actually threatens the government such as Manning, Snowden, and Winner), other forms of control are used. Usually that means pervasive propaganda and pitting people against each other through the Culture War.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago

US has the highest incarceration per capita in the world, and it's far higher than Cuba. Meanwhile, the blockade of Cuba certainly does make things difficult for a small island. The fact that people of Cuba enjoy higher quality of life than Americans in many ways, shows how communism can persevere even under harshest conditions. Not the own you seem to think it is.

[-] Rolder@reddthat.com 5 points 4 months ago

Now that’s just blatantly wrong.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/262962/countries-with-the-most-prisoners-per-100-000-inhabitants/

Cuba is one of the few countries that is actually higher then the US. Cuba is 794 per 100,000, compared to the United State’s 531

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

As the chart shows, 36 states have higher incarceration rates than Cuba, the country with the world's second highest prison rate. New York comes in just above Rwanda, which is still trying thousands of people in connection to the 1994 genocide. Even Vermont, birthplace of Phish, Ben & Jerry's, and the country's only socialist senator, imprisons a higher percentage of its population than countries like Israel, Mexico, or Saudi Arabia.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240308171425/https://www.vice.com/en/article/59a45x/the-mass-incarceration-problem-in-america

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[-] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago

Last item omits Cuban interventions in Africa, ie Angola.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 months ago

Yeah, really doing Cuba dirty by ignoring their military contributions to ending apartheid!

[-] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah they won.

[-] ninboy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

And all the hands in South America, including the Venezuelan takeover.

[-] ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago
[-] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago

Vietnam won

[-] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago

for "foreign interventions" I would do something like, "10 million killed since 1947" vs "ended Apartheid" instead of what you got there.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

yeah would've been better, I'm just resharing it

[-] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What about freedom of press and expression?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago

just ask Assange, Manning, or Snowden

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago

Whataboutism, a tankie's favourite tool

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[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Let's wish both of them a very pleasant people's revolution in the future

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Cuba already had a people's revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat is as firm as ever there.

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